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kyburg ([personal profile] kyburg) wrote2008-06-04 09:05 pm
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There is hope -

Found today outside the Starbucks in Manhattan Beach:



I'm kinda glad I stopped.

[identity profile] dawnspring.livejournal.com 2008-06-05 06:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I wish I could believe in Obama, but I don't think he's the one. He stands for the exact same things as Hil, he's just way less abrasive and divisive about it.

If he become President, he will bring change. I just don't think it will be positive or what the country needs. Though, I no longer believe McCain will bring it either.

[identity profile] the-boyfriend.livejournal.com 2008-06-05 06:53 pm (UTC)(link)
It just seems to me that at a minimum, if he help us and encourage us to make things just a little better? I will be happy.

[identity profile] dawnspring.livejournal.com 2008-06-05 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
But how is he going to encourage it? What is his idea of positive change? What is everyone else's? Those are the questions he can't or won't clearly answer right now.

The glimpses we've been given of his ideas of change have been, to be honest, scary. He believes in fairness and equality for all, but in the Socialist lowest common denominator sense.

I think it's too much to hope that there might be an election sometime in my lifetime where I will be voting for the worthy canidate, not the lesser of two evils.
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[identity profile] kyburg.livejournal.com 2008-06-06 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
The one thing I've noticed about him is that he's not afraid to be seen with people more conservative or more liberal than he is...and be willing to listen to their side of the argument.

That's encouraging. Specifics really aren't available yet. You have someone willing to work on an issue instead of drawing lines in the sand and refusing to budge on them...someone who can negotiate.

You won't know the specifics yet. All the players haven't had their turn yet.

[identity profile] dawnspring.livejournal.com 2008-06-06 06:40 am (UTC)(link)
McCain isn't afraid to be seen with and listen to people more liberal or conservative than him either. In fact, the reason a good chunk of the Republican party has a problem with him is because he has worked well with Democrats in the past. For a while it looked like that trait was going to cost him the nomination.

Granted, recently McCain has been kowtowing to party lines. Who is to say that Obama won't do the same in the future when he feels it would be to his best advantage?

And you are absolutely right. The specifics aren't known. THAT'S the problem. And I for one sure as hell don't want to find them out -after- he's in the White House. There's only one person I trust to put absolute blind faith in, and Obama ain't it.

[identity profile] bitpig.livejournal.com 2008-06-06 04:01 am (UTC)(link)
I agree 100% with what you said, [livejournal.com profile] dawnspring.

(PS -- You forgot to mention that Sen. Obama spent the last twenty years associating with racists and anti-semites.)

[identity profile] dawnspring.livejournal.com 2008-06-06 06:49 am (UTC)(link)
To be honest, I don't really care that he associates with racists and anti-semites. It's a free country, he can associate and believe as he likes. (I also know all it takes is one badly worded sentence said before the media and it labels and haunts you to the grave)

But, if he bases policy and carries those beliefs into federal policies and actions? 'Nother story entirely. I don't know enough about him to make that call though, so until he proves otherwise, I won't support him.


I see Obama as Kerry 2.0. "He's Not Bush/Clinton/Whoever" is NOT a valid reason to vote for someone. Ever.