There is hope -

[kyburg]

Found today outside the Starbucks in Manhattan Beach:



I'm kinda glad I stopped.

Comments

WTF

[bitpig.livejournal.com]

Where was all this patriotic fervor against "corruption, deception and abuse" when President Clinton was lying under oath, bombing Iraqi civilians, and sending the IRS to harass his critics?

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[dracowayfarer.livejournal.com]

I think the Republicans had that in hand, seeing as how Clinton got impeached yet Bush hasn't...

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[kyburg.livejournal.com]

Word.

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[unclejimbo.livejournal.com]

Clinton lied about a blow job.

Bush lied us into a war that had killed thousands.

Clinton caught the men who bombed the World Trade Center.

Osama Bin Laden is still at large and Al Quaeda has grown stronger since the invasion of Iraq.

Clinton authorized the strikes after Iraqi radar targeted Allied aircraft with surface to air missiles.

Bush stated that Saddam Hussein had 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' in spite of enormous evidence to the contrary.

Also, Bill Clinton was welcomed by the people of just about every country he ever travelled to.

Bush was booed at the funeral for one of the most popular Popes in world history. He'll likely have to retain Kissinger's law firm to see what countries he might want to travel to are signatories to the International Criminal Court Treaty and have extradition agreements before he travels outside the U.S.

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[the-boyfriend.livejournal.com]

I like that you two keep track of each other. It keeps things interesting (grin)

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[unclemilo.livejournal.com]

Please. The items you can lay at Clinton's feet are nothing compared to the TOWER of offenses carried out by the Bush administration.

Clinton lied about a Blow Job

Bush lied about a war

Clinton had his faults, but he bolstered our economy, improved our nation's standing in the world and tackled the issues to try to make our nation better

Bush put us in 9 Trillion dollar debt (not from 0, but from a surplus), ruined our educational system, devastated our environment, ruined our standing in the world, mishandled the war on a criminal level, sent us into that unjustified war in the first place and has abused his authority to bypass laws to get his cronies into several spots in our government while thundering against anyone or anything that dared go against his ridiculous excuse for leadership. The very fact Bush is in the White House is shrouded in question... and history will remember Bush as the worst and most incompetent President EVER (and if we're lucky, he'll be in that Torture facility he OKed)

Clinton's crimes amount to pickpocketing while Bush's crimes amount to shooting every member of your family in the face and then burning your house down.

How you can point fingers at Clinton under the nightmare we've had to endure just shows you've got no business even talking about these matters.

[moropus.livejournal.com]

Here's hoping the Constitution isn't just a piece of paper anymore. And why didn't he get pounded for saying that? Impeached? Hanged? Drawn and quartered? Beaten? Shot? Locked up forever?

[dawnspring.livejournal.com]

I wish I could believe in Obama, but I don't think he's the one. He stands for the exact same things as Hil, he's just way less abrasive and divisive about it.

If he become President, he will bring change. I just don't think it will be positive or what the country needs. Though, I no longer believe McCain will bring it either.

[the-boyfriend.livejournal.com]

It just seems to me that at a minimum, if he help us and encourage us to make things just a little better? I will be happy.

[dawnspring.livejournal.com]

But how is he going to encourage it? What is his idea of positive change? What is everyone else's? Those are the questions he can't or won't clearly answer right now.

The glimpses we've been given of his ideas of change have been, to be honest, scary. He believes in fairness and equality for all, but in the Socialist lowest common denominator sense.

I think it's too much to hope that there might be an election sometime in my lifetime where I will be voting for the worthy canidate, not the lesser of two evils.

[kyburg.livejournal.com]

The one thing I've noticed about him is that he's not afraid to be seen with people more conservative or more liberal than he is...and be willing to listen to their side of the argument.

That's encouraging. Specifics really aren't available yet. You have someone willing to work on an issue instead of drawing lines in the sand and refusing to budge on them...someone who can negotiate.

You won't know the specifics yet. All the players haven't had their turn yet.

[dawnspring.livejournal.com]

McCain isn't afraid to be seen with and listen to people more liberal or conservative than him either. In fact, the reason a good chunk of the Republican party has a problem with him is because he has worked well with Democrats in the past. For a while it looked like that trait was going to cost him the nomination.

Granted, recently McCain has been kowtowing to party lines. Who is to say that Obama won't do the same in the future when he feels it would be to his best advantage?

And you are absolutely right. The specifics aren't known. THAT'S the problem. And I for one sure as hell don't want to find them out -after- he's in the White House. There's only one person I trust to put absolute blind faith in, and Obama ain't it.

[bitpig.livejournal.com]

I agree 100% with what you said, dawnspring.

(PS -- You forgot to mention that Sen. Obama spent the last twenty years associating with racists and anti-semites.)

[dawnspring.livejournal.com]

To be honest, I don't really care that he associates with racists and anti-semites. It's a free country, he can associate and believe as he likes. (I also know all it takes is one badly worded sentence said before the media and it labels and haunts you to the grave)

But, if he bases policy and carries those beliefs into federal policies and actions? 'Nother story entirely. I don't know enough about him to make that call though, so until he proves otherwise, I won't support him.


I see Obama as Kerry 2.0. "He's Not Bush/Clinton/Whoever" is NOT a valid reason to vote for someone. Ever.