Is there a Clow Card called "Teh Stupid"?

[kyburg]

Having trouble with Michael Moore bitching about Disney and Touchstone?

PETA is now bitching about Michael Moore. Because he's got a waistline.

*shakes head* Egad. People IS stupid.

Comments

[caitlin.livejournal.com]

Erm.... *HUH?!?&*

*facepalm* PETA.

Trying to push their view on vegetarianism is not the way to win converts. Sheesh.

C.

[exedore.livejournal.com]

It's groups like PETA that make me ashamed to be a vegetarian.

[anahata56.livejournal.com]

It has long been my assertion that people who are adamantly liberal are as pushy, knee-jerk, reactionary and rude as any right-wing, flag-waving, jingoistic asshole that ever lived.

They just think they can get away with it because they are trendy.

Boo.

Hiss.

[kyburg.livejournal.com]

*STOMP*

Repeat.

Stupid is as stupid does....

[anahata56.livejournal.com]

Oh yes indeedy.

But I just don't think that stupid people necessarily congregate entirely on either the left or the right of center. Stupid people seem to be able to find a niche wherever they go, which is probably the MOST frightening thing of all.

It would seem that the generalized gene pool has universally embraced stupidity as being an acceptable component of nearly every philosophy and/or worldview.

Which is why I'm not a "joiner".

[loveanddarkness.livejournal.com]

Leaving you comfortably on the sidelines, feeling smug and superior.

So glad we of the hoi polloi could provide entertainment for you.

[oblomova.livejournal.com]

I'll get behind this when they also start sending care packages of protein shakes to fashion magazines that hire stick-thin models, to actresses like Calista Flockhart and other anorectic-looking women, etc. Unhealthy body image is unhealthy body image -- why are they picking on the hefties?

Really, I think it's time to tell the PETA folks "The only way you can possibly live up to the ideals you espouse is by committing mass suicide and having your bodies composted."

Also -- I have known some very chubby veggies in my time. Just sayin'...

[anahata56.livejournal.com]

Whoa, wait a minute!

When a person does not choose an allegiance to a group, a mindset or a group-think, it does not by any stretch put them on "the sidelines". In fact, what it does is place the responsibility for thought and action squarely on the shoulders of the person choosing not to align. People who think as I do don't necessarily enjoy the dynamic or perhaps even the POWER of a group behind us, making our task that much more difficult. But I would prefer that kind of difficulty over that of those of you now agonizing over the fact that this "group", with whom you may largely agree, has overstepped into the arena of pompous absurdity and dragged all card-carrying PETA members WITH them.

Because of this, there will be people out there who look at all PETA members as being willing to sink to this level. And that isn't fair, because no membership of a group should have the power to alter a person's opinion of who YOU are. Belonging to something should NOT have the ability to outweigh your stance as an independent thinker, and no one deserves to be labeled as something they are not simply because they belong to an organization with whom they MOSTLY agree. But that doesn't happen, and the label, to those people who don't know you, becomes more important than who you are.

Being a person who refuses to blindly pledge allegiance to a group and its philosophies does NOT place one on the sidelines. The unwillingness to label oneself is not smug, nor is it isolationist, nor does it mean that one's level of caring or action needs to be diminished.

All it means is that, perhaps, one would prefer to speak for oneself and not let a group do the talking, especially when the talking is as silly and irrelevant and meanspirited as the talk this article describes.

[loveanddarkness.livejournal.com]

Three things:

(1) I'm not a PETA member.

(2) I agree that their actions were snide, stupid and meanspirited and ultimately detrimental to their cause.

(3) I do my own thinking, thank you very much. My thinking is that you came off a bit more than snotty.

[anahata56.livejournal.com]

1) I never said you were. What I am saying, and what I said before, is that it is the rare organization that does not contain some rather vocal members and/or leaders who are incapable of stupidity, because most organizations, left wing, right wing or in the middle, are capable of some bonehead moves from time to time. Which means not that I disapprove of any of those philosophies--only the abuse of them when they serve as platforms for stupidity to make itself heard on the backs of others.

2) So we have no beef.

3) I apologize if that is the way I "came off"--it was certainly not the intent nor the attitude with which it was posted. And it is clear that you do your own thinking, from the quality of your posts. I hope we understand one another more clearly now, though.

[kyburg.livejournal.com]

I can't help but remember Linda McCartney dying of breast cancer, either -

[kyburg.livejournal.com]

I used to think that was the "safest" course of action, but I quickly learned all I got out of it was lonely.

And disenfranchised.

The biggest problem I have now? Convincing the group I'm speaking to at any particular moment that I'm not:

1) A liberal.
2) A conservative.

Really. Because once that determination is made? Game over.

It's more important to find a way and fix the problem - not to fix blame and whine about it. And for that, you have to work with others. It's not easy. But I honestly think if we took our cues from cultures that have made it work, we'd do better as well.

[muimi07.livejournal.com]

It has long been my assertion that people who are adamantly liberal are as pushy, knee-jerk, reactionary and rude as any right-wing, flag-waving, jingoistic asshole that ever lived.

AMEN. I am a liberal myself BUT I don't like extremism in either form. Both liberal and conservative thinking have their merits but when pushed towards the extremes of either spectrum, yeck, the message gets lost in fanaticism (ie, PETA and other extremely left winged organizations.)

Besides, Michael Moore and co. may be overweight, hell, obese, but if they're happy with themselves, who is PETA to say that vegetarism is the answer and to be so rude about their weight assessments. Bah!

Although I'm not sure what you mean by "trendy"...???

[anahata56.livejournal.com]

I'm an old bat. And because I'm an old bat, I have seen a lot of people hook up with "movements".

Anti-war during Viet Nam. Anti-Gallo and anti-lettuce when Caesar Chavez was an activist. Anti-establishment. Anti-reactionary.

"Anti's" were everywhere. And I was one of them, actually.

But after awhile, I came to the realization that people who joined these groups were very rarely in it for "the cause". For some folks, it was ego. For others, it was a free ride to some really good parties. And there were even those, like our distinguished friend Ira Einhorn, co-founder of "Earth Day", who were in it not just for the ego but the pussy and the ability to get away with murder because he had achieved a certain fame. For others, it was just the fashionable thing to do. And I suspect that things haven't changed much over time--that while there are those who organize activist groups for the purpose of getting something accomplished, the ranks are swelled by those whose motivations may not be as pure.

So when I see huge crowds of people surrounding some political event, the cynic in me wonders how many of them are there because this is something they truly believe in, and how many are there for the ability to socialize and feel a part of something, ANYTHING, that makes them feel popular.

Once I was a true believer. Once I believed that, banded together, people could accomplish anything. But what I found out was that not many of my fellow band members were as interested in accomplishing what I was there to accomplish as I was.

It was the cool thing to do. Nothing much more than that.

[anahata56.livejournal.com]

I hear you.

There are those who are convinced that I am as right-wing as they come. There are others who naturally assume that I'm liberal, because I'm on "their side" on a particular issue.

Truth is, I'm not either one. I'm just a person who has their own opinion on a variety of subjects, and some of those opinions may appear contradictory...unless you know who I am. And then it makes complete sense.

It's a dilemma--this desire to keep from being pigeonholed and herdified by a society where you have to be one thing or another...where you're "either for us or agin' us". And yes, it can be lonely and disenfranchising, but the choices are that you either join and run the risk of being lumped in with people who really DON'T think as you do, or doing what you can on your own about the things that YOU care about, against all odds.

I tend to keep my ambitions small these days. Not so noble, I suppose, but I still believe that if everyone kept their own yard clean, it would be a clean world.

So I keep my yard clean, and work small, and hope it sets an example....via guilt, if need be. That old pang of guilt that all the neighbors feel when there is one poor schmoe out there mowing and they ALL know they could use a trim...and the next thing you know, everyone is out there with the John Deere.

It isn't flashy, but it works pretty well for me.

[happyworld.livejournal.com]

I did draw a clow card called "The Dumb" a few years back- I was pretty proud of it, hehe! She was a cutie, and wearing a dunce cap and sitting on a stool. It was definitely intended for use in a situation like this. Yeesh!

[kyburg.livejournal.com]

But the fact important work was done shouldn't be overlooked, either.

Everyone is here for a different purpose, methinks. *chuckles* And liars are liars are liars, neh?

Liars I catch, I make examples of. *taps chin* When I think it will help over the long run. But I don't let them stop me from trying to find common ground - when it comes to a democratic form of government, you have to come together. You find a way. Diplomacy an art, Machiavelli should be a required author in high school and the whole nine yards. But you find a way.

Trust me. You don't like who's in charge right now? They spent decades getting to this place. And they didn't do it alone.

And yes, a lot of them are along for this ride for reasons other than world domination. The sniffing and affrontage over Clinton's blow-job was cover fire - can you dig it?

[kyburg.livejournal.com]

The problem with guilt is that a lot of these folks think spending money to someone else to mow the lawn for them is good enough.

Shoot, I'd lend my mower if someone needed it. It's a great opportunity to talk. Yes, I'm willing to let you have something of mine, just because I see you need it. You'll remember. When you have trouble in the future, you'll remember - and hopefully, you'll come to me again. And then maybe, just maybe - I can come to you, too.

Watch out for some clear boundaries - I'll set them, no worries - but if you're reasonable, and are willing to work hard to compensate (gee, can you clean my rain gutters for me in exchange?), I'm cool. We'll get along.

And neither of us will have to go it alone again.

[anahata56.livejournal.com]

Oh, Honey...

You're SUCH an optimist!!! :)

Stick around--we need you.

[kyburg.livejournal.com]

Fuck, no. It's hard work and I'm not afraid of it. ;)

[washuotaku.livejournal.com]

I hate PETA and all that it stands for.

[neintales.livejournal.com]

When I was little, I thought PETA was sooo cool, saving cute little animals from horrible meanies- though I liked eating meat even then, I admit. I didn't really understand them or how they worked.

Now, I alternately want to laugh, or punch something, every time I hear about their latest BS.

From terrorizing children with graphic comics that make Jack Chick look sane, to comparing the victims of a serial killer to pigs raised for food... and now *this*??!

I've known fat vegans, thank you much, just as I know PLENTY of healthy meat eaters- and anorexic meat eaters, and whatnot.

And their witty slogans and catchphrases there seriously took me back to the elementary school playground.

Ugh.

And as to the VA thing... it's had me spitting nails all day since I saw your link to it.

Though reading some of the replies to it did make me feel some hope.. especially the nicely thoughtful and informational responses to a guy who thought "it was about time" and "Religion hasn't changed in 2000 years! We can't just say that sin is ok as long as it is fun!" (Not direct quotes there.. just the basics)

It's good to know that there are others out there like me who've read the bible and gone "what the FUCK were these guys ON?"

[kyburg.livejournal.com]

People Eating Tasty Animals?

*ducks*

[kyburg.livejournal.com]

I don't know many people better prepared to discuss religion than you, dearling. I'm with you!

[neintales.livejournal.com]

LOL.. well to be honest, I've actually forgotten a lot of what I knew- except for about 40 minutes *after* any argument or discussion... I suppose I should go back through and read my bibles, and Daddy's old theology books again to better argue while the argument's happening instead of trying to recall what I read 10-15 years ago ^^

But I came to the conclusion long ago that nope.. most of what's in the bible makes no real sense, but would make GREAT NC-17 movies. Heheh.