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[personal profile] kyburg
Dr Tiller, who was 67, was shot just after 1000 (1500 GMT) at the Reformation Lutheran Church.

I find it very angering that they refer to this man as an 'abortion doctor' - all he did was provide all the services his licensure allowed - without apology or question - to the best of his ability.

(In spite of more pressure to quit and behave - including physical injury, property damage, harassment and now his murder - than any reasonable physician should have to endure.)

That would be like branding that fellow we found to treat Cliff in his last days as a 'porn-star creator' because he specialized in both plastic surgery and urology. (He fixed dicks. That's all he did. Very well, I may add.)

Jim told me - I responded with a very fast 'do I look surprised?' I know the people who hate. They tend to believe everyone hates them just as much as they hate others - and folks who truly believe that, tend to be pretty scared. And pretty scared people tend to buy weapons, thinking they need 'the protection.' And then they think they really need to use them, are justified in using them. In cold blood.

There are those who would vehemently argue the 'unborn' needed someone to speak for them. I will only say the only people who have the right to speak for their children are their parents - whether they decide they are parents, or patients in need of a procedure. It is no business of mine to judge that question - it is for the woman herself to decide which it is.

Even if she chooses to terminate a pregnancy. She can be a parent - or just a patient. Her choice. Her decision.

Unwed pregnant teens and 20-somethings who attend or have graduated from private religious schools are more likely to obtain abortions than their peers from public schools, according to research in the June issue of the Journal of Health and Social Behavior.

"This research suggests that young, unmarried women are confronted with a number of social, financial and health-related factors that can make it difficult for them to act according to religious values when deciding whether to keep or abort a pregnancy," said the study’s author, sociologist Amy Adamczyk of John Jay College of Criminal Justice and the Graduate Center, City University of New York.


Yup. It's only a moral outrage when it's NOT your abortion.

What did the man himself have to say about it?

There are journals quoting from the site - here, go see it for yourself:

In July of 1970, I planned to start a dermatology residency. On August 21, 1970, my father, mother, sister and brother-in-law were killed in an aircraft accident. My sister had a 12-month-old boy, Maurice. They had written out a will in longhand the evening before the airplane crash, that I was to raise Maurice. So we took charge of my sister's boy and we moved back to Wichita. My game plan was to spend six months here, close out my father's huge family medicine practice.

After I had been there for a little while, patients in the practice began to ask me if I was going to do abortions like my father did. I was outraged. Why would these nice people say that he was a scumbag kind of a physician?


The story didn't end there. He got an education, and saw his experience as an education in things he could not have learned otherwise.

I have more to be grateful for than I have to be resentful about. We have much more support in Wichita than we have rejection and castigation. If Wichita and our community did not want us to be here, I wouldn't be here. But the vast majority of people in Wichita support, on a quiet level, what we do, which is help women and families.

Oh, he'll be missed.

And even worse for his detractors...he'll be remembered.

Date: 2009-06-01 09:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sal_amanda
And it's so pro-life to kill someone, right?

Date: 2009-06-01 09:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kyburg.livejournal.com
According to some of these folks, it was ending the murdering spree of a serial killer. No, I am not making this up.

Pro-some kinds of life. Yeah, that.

Date: 2009-06-02 01:09 am (UTC)
sal_amanda: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sal_amanda
Yeah, I know. What was it that idiot Randall Terry said? Something about reaping what he sowed? That guy is an asshole.

I live in the town where Barnett Slepian was killed about ten years ago by James Kopp and believe me, no one has forgotten Dr. Slepian or has stopped supporting what he did.

Date: 2009-06-01 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feyandstrange.livejournal.com
If you really want to be sickened and angry, go see what Bill O'Reilly had been saying about that man for years. It probably qualifies as a hate crime, and possibly incitement, although nobody will prosecute him.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/05/31/tiller/index.html

Credo has a petition up calling for O'Reilly to take responsibility for his actions, which seems unlikely to happen: http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/tiller/?r=3742&id=4287-72495-1nctpsx

You can also donate to Medical Students for Choice in Tiller's name. https://secure.groundspring.org/dn/index.php?id=94

Date: 2009-06-01 09:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kyburg.livejournal.com
I have, hence the lack of surprise, I did and I wish I had the $$$ for the third.

Date: 2009-06-01 10:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feyandstrange.livejournal.com
Much the same here - I'm just trying very hard to provide "what you can do" options whenever I see stuff like this.

Date: 2009-06-02 01:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rin-o.livejournal.com
"go see what Bill O'Reilly had been saying about that man for years. It probably qualifies as a hate crime, and possibly incitement-"

Possible incitement? that man's primary trade is wholesale incitement.

Also, providing hot air to fill the tour ballons around rush limbagh. (rush's, as it turns out, was causing children to score lower in tests and was banned by the EPA)

Date: 2009-06-01 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sekl.livejournal.com
Interesting, but I'd also posit that those who attend private religious schools tend to respond more to social pressures like shame.

So in the psychology of it all, abortion is bad, but so is disappointing "everyone" by having a child in less-than-perfect conditions. The irony of the whole thing just makes me tired and sad.

Date: 2009-06-01 10:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kyburg.livejournal.com
Find a way to elimate the need for abortions, and you end abortions.

Only way that works, 100% of the time.

Date: 2009-06-02 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sekl.livejournal.com
Yes but somehow my fiendish plan make everyone see reason about birth control hasn't happened yet.

Date: 2009-06-02 05:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drlaurac.livejournal.com
And having done the pregnancy thing myself only made me more pro-choice than before. That's a hell of an imposition on someone if that's not what they intended, and even if it was!

Currently available birth control options suck. And of the non-small number of people I know who have had abortions, none of it found it easy.

Sure, as a hopeful adoptive parent, it would be great if all unintended pregnancies were loving carried to term for good homes to adopt. But that's some kind of fantasy.

Date: 2009-06-01 11:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cakmpls.livejournal.com
Well said. Just...that.

Dumbasses! Haha!

Date: 2009-06-02 01:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rin-o.livejournal.com
i like how they murdered a man inside of a church while volunteering at religious services there for "moral" reasons.

i rarely get to see darwinism apply itself to a political movement, but here we go! excuse me while i enjoy watching them squirm to justify his actions in court.

*popcorn*

Date: 2009-06-02 09:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] monkeyfruit.livejournal.com
Oh man, I just applied for BBC News yesterday!!! D:

Date: 2009-06-02 09:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] monkeyfruit.livejournal.com
Also, there are typos. What have I got myself into.

Date: 2009-06-02 11:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moropus.livejournal.com
"Unwed pregnant teens and 20-somethings who attend or have graduated from private religious schools are more likely to obtain abortions than their peers from public schools, according to research in the June issue of the Journal of Health and Social Behavior."

As an escapee, I think this is most likely because they are afraid of social repercussions(The Scarlet Letter style) and fear their parents would throw them out. A pregnancy proves they aren't good enough anymore.

God Rest His Soul

Date: 2009-06-02 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paperwings86.livejournal.com
The kind of abortions Dr. Tiller targeted for providing were generally not for women who were making a "to parent" or "not to parent decision". They were for women who had decided to parent, but at 16-20 weeks had gotten news back that the genetic testing they'd been offered turned something up. As Dr. Tiller said it, "Its medical fraud to offer women genetic testing but not the choice to do anything about the results." I've seen women get that news.

The question always seems to be "what would you do if you were told your baby would have downs, or not be developing a brain, or some other terrible Trisomy disease. Would you carry out the pregnancy and raise the child?" Most people don't know that for many many women (read most) there is no question because there are no options. Oh? You'd like to terminate? Well we couldn’t do the screening till you were 16 weeks and now that’s a late term abortion so here's information on raising a downs baby."

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