I can't get NO....satisfaction....

[kyburg]

Let's see.

You don't need to take Jim's word for it anymore. Even down to the names...which he was a good boy about and didn't tell anyone about either.

Hooray! (And so much for Tiajuana Taxi Fertility Hookups.) Note the words 'there is no law against...' - this is a evaluation by peers, and I hope we find out what they decide. But keep in mind - there is no law, and this won't create one. (Consider what the enforcement of one might look like, BTW. Just think about it for a moment, it'll come to you.)

Let me get this straight. When the McCaughey septuplets were born in 1997, President Clinton called to congratulate the parents, who were given a free 12-passenger van, Pampers for life, furniture, food, and a custom built house. Last spring, when Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar got pregnant with their 18th child, they announced it on the Today Show and their reality TV show launched that fall. When Nadya Suleman, 33, gave birth to octuplets on January 26th, she got revulsion, ridicule and death threats. A talk radio host who called her a freak said his listeners were prepared to boycott any company that helped out mother or babies. Jimmy Kimmel declared that "Golden retrievers do not have that many kids."

Uh, yawp. Single, POC and oh mi ghad IRAQI. SPICY.

(You know, I'd almost expect some people to have a little empathy for people who have somewhat toxic parents....but noooooo. Guess not.) And before you hit that comment button - keep in mind. The lady had choices. Since we see more of the grandfather doing childcare publically than the grandmother, you figure it out. Watch the grandkids leave that house Real Soon. As soon as enough money shows up - and it will show up. (Just keep making those death threats on all those sponsored websites, kids!)

Quick quiz.

Who administers 'food stamp' programs?

- Department of the Treasury
- Department of Homeland Security
- The Internal Revenue Service
- Department of Agriculture (*dingdingding*)

Also, the going term is Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program - not food stamps. Note the key word - there is no intention for this ever to be the sole support for anyone. (I love the fact they've moved it off paper and to electronic ATM card. No, you can't pool the change from buying a candy bar with a coupon until you can buy liquor anymore. Too bad. *snickers*)

Oh yeah, $490 a month is a REAL GOOD incentive to have a kid. (...where do people get this crap...) And of course you top out, regardless of the number of people in the household.

Defend her? Not so much. What I find amazing is the vitriol where in just about every other case I know of, there was nothing but cooes and praise for being 'so absolutely PERFECTLY FEMALE' for being, well - successful at being female. That's it, isn't it? The pastel pinks and blues, the heft of the rewards thrown, the fairy tale twittering. The strokes - oh yes - THE STROKES.

(I'm catching echoes of it adopting right now, and I know it when I see it. It's perceived sainthood and I'm hip. I got much the same when I was the wife of a terminal patient. It's not helpful, except as a signal that they're not going to bitchslap you.)

I'm glad information is getting out. It's making our lives easier not having to keep our mouths shut. (How many times does WE CAN'TALK make sense?)

What I'm watching for? Terminations at the hospital of people who were peeking into health records when they had no reason to. Yeah, it's all electronic, all tagged with who was doing the peeking and we've had plenty of evidence there's a zero tolerance policy for fraud - though I think Kaiser might handle these a bit differently after a whole family died when both parents were fired for it. Remember - same hospital system.

Whatta parade. Can we talk about Sully instead?

Comments

[reannon.livejournal.com]

What amazes me are the people who fully support Woman's Right to Choose in all things from conception to whether or not she works, but this woman's choices were all supposed to be made for her. She chooses to have embryos implanted and that was supposed to be taken away by her doctor. Even though her previous experience was that only one embryo of the six would survive, she chooses not to have them reduced, and THAT choice was supposed to be taken away by her doctor. They magically transform into eight and all survive by a fucking miracle of science, and she's stepping up to an enormous job by herself, but that choice should be taken away by the state before she even gets the chance to succeed or fail. She chooses to stay at home with her babies - which she absolutely would need to, because I can't imagine how you work a job with all those children - but that choice should be taken away from her as well, because, well, I can't keep track.

Consider that if this woman were married, not a word would have been spoken. Because mothers are supposed to be married. *eyeroll* For a society that not only encourages but DEMANDS that you make your own choices about how you live your life, for better or for worse, everyone on all sides of the pro-life/pro-choice/adoption/etc. arguments seems to want to take away this woman's choices. Do I agree with them? Hell no, I want another baby but I know I can't right now, and that means probably not ever given my financial state and advancing age. But the hypocrisy your link points out and the disgusting level of vitriol aimed at this woman tells me nobody's really backing anyone's "right to choose" here.

[feyandstrange.livejournal.com]

I'd be speaking out if she was married, unless her husband was providing enough money to hire an army of nannies, nurses and carers.

And as per the CDC, she had far more embryos implanted than is standard.

Your right to choose, like anyone else's, stops when it starts to impact on other people's lives. We don't let parents choose to risk the lives of their children, either through neglect or abuse, or by "choosing" to implant far more embryos than is standard.

[kyburg.livejournal.com]

And the father is known, and was married to her through all the previous pregnancies...except this last one.

He's just not interesting enough, I guess.

[cerulean-me.livejournal.com]

No where does it say that her ex-husband is the father, and quite the opposite.

The sperm donor remains unidentified; one person ruled out was Nadya Suleman's ex-husband Marcos Gutierrez (their divorce was finalized last year).

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1877962,00.html

They separated in 2000- before her fertility treatments started, according to what she told Ann Curry in her interview on NBC.

[kyburg.livejournal.com]

Good enough - I was wrong. (But boy, it takes some effort to keep things straight, doesn't it?)

But still - over six pregnancies and how ever many attempts? (Nobody has said a thing about those....)

Nah. He knew. And he could have stopped the whole thing after the first, second, third - at any point.

At least - as far as I know - when you know? You can. Anonymous, and here's your stuff, bye-bye? Not so much.