Hoooookay.

[kyburg]

Last word on the Prop 8 front - they're taking it Federal.

As in, you can't do that on a state level - it conflicts with the Federal level, with regards to discrimination.

Which, if you recall - hasn't been exactly receptive to the whole idea.

...

Anyone besides me think is a Bad Idea?

Like, the SCOTUS probably won't even see the case?

But the stakes couldn't be any more juicy - they win it there, it's automatically everywhere, New York, Neeeeew Yaaaaahrk.

*sighs*

Things remain harder than they need to be, nobody is really looking hard enough at this to see it means less government, not more and I can't see where it's changed/threatned me in the least. I mean, 18,000 cases already exist and I don't know any of them (except George, and that's at a significant remove).

Going home now.

Comments

Re: Have you read the actual ruling?

[kuangning]

That was my take too; the CSC basically went "We have to take away the word marriage because of Prop 8, but we're not touching the state of *being* married, the state will just have to call it something else for same-sex couples. Except those 18,000 who got in before this and are grandfathered in. Oh, and by the way? Their civil unions? They still have to be de-facto marriages with all the rights of marriages under state law, even if the state can't call it that. You get the word though; enjoy your win."

Re: Have you read the actual ruling?

[worldmenders.livejournal.com]

My favorite suggestion for a new word comes from the Princess Bride: "Mawidge" (Hat Tip to homogenius at the Daily Kos:)

Mawidge is what bwings us togevvuh".

Re: Have you read the actual ruling?

[kuangning]

I saw someone suggest calling it a "devotion," for reasons that struck me as entirely sensible, including the fact that it has strong religious connotations and combats the image that gays can't be just as loving, generous, and committed as any Christian ought to be.

Re: Have you read the actual ruling?

[worldmenders.livejournal.com]

Just realized how freakishly narrow the ruling is - The Terms "Husband" and "Wife" are still available to all couples, and as far as I can see there is nothing in the law of California that prevents any couple from using those terms.

Heck, My wife may start calling me wife any time now!

Re: Have you read the actual ruling?

[kuangning]

Yep! It's not ideal, in that they should never have had to be dealing with Prop 8 in the first place, but it really seems that they bent over backwards to both take the impact out of it and to clear the way for the next set of challenges to Prop 8.

Re: Have you read the actual ruling?

[tomlemos.livejournal.com]

although CA has domestic partnerships, which do not even come close to being the same as marriage, in fact, to have them become "equal" to marriage, a whole lot of work would have to happen.

Re: Have you read the actual ruling?

[nagasvoice.livejournal.com]

But I think this ruling does allow the inequality to be challenged, which is an improvement.
I'm not sure taking it federal is any help, but I lean on analysis of it by others such as Daily Kos on that one.

Re: Have you read the actual ruling?

[kuangning]

*nods.* Yes, it will. To have the Court re-affirm that gays have the right to have an institution indistinguishable from marriage and granted all the rights of marriage within the state, even in the teeth of Prop 8 taking away the right of the state to call it marriage, though, is not a bad thing.