**tennis match audience pose** FWAP FWAP FWAP

Something I see over and over again.

You can't teach if you can't get your audience.

You can't get your audience if you don't make your argument that you should have one.

You can't make your argument if you Lose It Completely while identifying that you need to teach. Something. To an audience.

....

People keep wanting me to get in a lather. I guess it would indicate to them that I had listened, understood the material and was reacting appropriately...and seem very let down when I don't grab a torch and pitchfork and head for the streets.

Pick the topic - there are plenty of them. Shoot, go use the calendar function on this journal for this month in 2003 and there are PLENTY of convincing reasons to get into a lather.

(Haven't changed my mind a whit since then, mind.)

You don't need my support to be right. No, really. Unless I make a point of correction (and you know what those look like), I'm not failing to support your point of view if I don't stumble into the fray and fight on. I don't see the need. And quite frankly? I'm looking for a better opening. I wanna WIN.

This is me being stubborn. Not mean. Not angry. Stubborn. And still able to listen. I may actually find out something I didn't know before - if I listen.

If you're sure you're right - don't stop to look around and see who agrees with you before deciding for certain. Ask - if you must. But if you have the power of your own conviction - and are willing to take the lumps if you're wrong, and with this method you really CAN be - go for it.

If I can't do it alone - I then have to make my argument, don't I? Because I then have to get my audience, to make my point and teach what someone has shown me to be the case. Getting angry, huffy or insulting? Wow. Not gonna work. At all.

And if you walk away and not talk to me at all? Don't expect me to follow you, begging for your audience to make my point. You don't want it, and I'm not going to chase after you to force it on you.

Angry people get kept on short leashes here, remember. I can certainly understand why you might be - but I expect you to cool off, center and then make your point. Anything that can be shouted can be whispered - and still be valid.

Bring it down a notch. People tend to work harder to hear a lowered voice than be willing to endure a screaming match.

Getting angry about stuff people just don't know jack about blows me away. Clearly, this is all POV work - but come on. Challenge the "who are THEY" assumptions, and the "some people said" arguments. THEY who? SOME where? WHO? WHAT.

Make your argument. Support your stand. Challenge those assumptions. Question authority.

Keep your shirt on, head on your shoulders please. You need to come back here and discuss the merits of Peeps at half-price and other issues of the day, right?

Here - just for free. If you're reducing people to one-word labels - YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

And you ain't gonna win.

**tennis match audience pose** FWAP FWAP FWAP

Something I see over and over again.

You can't teach if you can't get your audience.

You can't get your audience if you don't make your argument that you should have one.

You can't make your argument if you Lose It Completely while identifying that you need to teach. Something. To an audience.

....

People keep wanting me to get in a lather. I guess it would indicate to them that I had listened, understood the material and was reacting appropriately...and seem very let down when I don't grab a torch and pitchfork and head for the streets.

Pick the topic - there are plenty of them. Shoot, go use the calendar function on this journal for this month in 2003 and there are PLENTY of convincing reasons to get into a lather.

(Haven't changed my mind a whit since then, mind.)

You don't need my support to be right. No, really. Unless I make a point of correction (and you know what those look like), I'm not failing to support your point of view if I don't stumble into the fray and fight on. I don't see the need. And quite frankly? I'm looking for a better opening. I wanna WIN.

This is me being stubborn. Not mean. Not angry. Stubborn. And still able to listen. I may actually find out something I didn't know before - if I listen.

If you're sure you're right - don't stop to look around and see who agrees with you before deciding for certain. Ask - if you must. But if you have the power of your own conviction - and are willing to take the lumps if you're wrong, and with this method you really CAN be - go for it.

If I can't do it alone - I then have to make my argument, don't I? Because I then have to get my audience, to make my point and teach what someone has shown me to be the case. Getting angry, huffy or insulting? Wow. Not gonna work. At all.

And if you walk away and not talk to me at all? Don't expect me to follow you, begging for your audience to make my point. You don't want it, and I'm not going to chase after you to force it on you.

Angry people get kept on short leashes here, remember. I can certainly understand why you might be - but I expect you to cool off, center and then make your point. Anything that can be shouted can be whispered - and still be valid.

Bring it down a notch. People tend to work harder to hear a lowered voice than be willing to endure a screaming match.

Getting angry about stuff people just don't know jack about blows me away. Clearly, this is all POV work - but come on. Challenge the "who are THEY" assumptions, and the "some people said" arguments. THEY who? SOME where? WHO? WHAT.

Make your argument. Support your stand. Challenge those assumptions. Question authority.

Keep your shirt on, head on your shoulders please. You need to come back here and discuss the merits of Peeps at half-price and other issues of the day, right?

Here - just for free. If you're reducing people to one-word labels - YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

And you ain't gonna win.

**tennis match audience pose** FWAP FWAP FWAP

Something I see over and over again.

You can't teach if you can't get your audience.

You can't get your audience if you don't make your argument that you should have one.

You can't make your argument if you Lose It Completely while identifying that you need to teach. Something. To an audience.

....

People keep wanting me to get in a lather. I guess it would indicate to them that I had listened, understood the material and was reacting appropriately...and seem very let down when I don't grab a torch and pitchfork and head for the streets.

Pick the topic - there are plenty of them. Shoot, go use the calendar function on this journal for this month in 2003 and there are PLENTY of convincing reasons to get into a lather.

(Haven't changed my mind a whit since then, mind.)

You don't need my support to be right. No, really. Unless I make a point of correction (and you know what those look like), I'm not failing to support your point of view if I don't stumble into the fray and fight on. I don't see the need. And quite frankly? I'm looking for a better opening. I wanna WIN.

This is me being stubborn. Not mean. Not angry. Stubborn. And still able to listen. I may actually find out something I didn't know before - if I listen.

If you're sure you're right - don't stop to look around and see who agrees with you before deciding for certain. Ask - if you must. But if you have the power of your own conviction - and are willing to take the lumps if you're wrong, and with this method you really CAN be - go for it.

If I can't do it alone - I then have to make my argument, don't I? Because I then have to get my audience, to make my point and teach what someone has shown me to be the case. Getting angry, huffy or insulting? Wow. Not gonna work. At all.

And if you walk away and not talk to me at all? Don't expect me to follow you, begging for your audience to make my point. You don't want it, and I'm not going to chase after you to force it on you.

Angry people get kept on short leashes here, remember. I can certainly understand why you might be - but I expect you to cool off, center and then make your point. Anything that can be shouted can be whispered - and still be valid.

Bring it down a notch. People tend to work harder to hear a lowered voice than be willing to endure a screaming match.

Getting angry about stuff people just don't know jack about blows me away. Clearly, this is all POV work - but come on. Challenge the "who are THEY" assumptions, and the "some people said" arguments. THEY who? SOME where? WHO? WHAT.

Make your argument. Support your stand. Challenge those assumptions. Question authority.

Keep your shirt on, head on your shoulders please. You need to come back here and discuss the merits of Peeps at half-price and other issues of the day, right?

Here - just for free. If you're reducing people to one-word labels - YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

And you ain't gonna win.

I love it when I see something like this -

And it makes me think of at least two people on my FL who don't know each other. At. All.

The link?

Libertarian SF writers literally run amok at the behest of the Department of Homeland Security Undersecretary Jay Cohen to much LOLs on my part.

Best parts?

“My guess is we won’t need quite so many paid agents of the state to do that for us, which means maybe we can try being a republic instead of an incompetent empire,” he said, then railed against the Transportation Security Administration for treating passengers like “subjects” rather than “citizens.”

The 45-minute panel discussion quickly deteriorated as federal, local and state homeland security officials, and at least one congressional aid, attempted to ask questions, which were largely ignored."

Yeah, that sounds familiar. Y'see, I have trouble hanging with people who treat people just as badly as they claim people are treating them. Funny, that. You want respect, and you're not getting it? Try setting an example. Or leave. Take your pick. You want to lead, LEAD for crying out loud. Sheesh.

Among the group’s approximately 24 members is Larry Niven, the bestselling and award-winning author of such books as “Ringworld” and “Lucifer’s Hammer,” which he co-wrote with SIGMA member Jerry Pournelle.

Niven said a good way to help hospitals stem financial losses is to spread rumors in Spanish within the Latino community that emergency rooms are killing patients in order to harvest their organs for transplants.

“The problem [of hospitals going broke] is hugely exaggerated by illegal aliens who aren’t going to pay for anything anyway,” Niven said.

“Do you know how politically incorrect you are?” Pournelle asked.

“I know it may not be possible to use this solution, but it does work,” Niven replied.

“I cannot guarantee I’m going to be a great help to Homeland Security,” Niven said earlier.

Ya think?

David Brin, keeping on the topic of empowering citizens with mobile phone technology, delivered a self-described “rant” on the lack of funds being spent to support citizen reservists to back up the military, homeland security officials and first responders in times of crisis.

“It is impossible for you to succeed without us!” he shouted at the assembled officials, while banging his fist on the table and at one point jumping off his chair to wave a mobile phone in their faces.

Ghad, the only thing missing is Harlan Ellison and Oreo cookies.

octal - who is this publication, and have you ever heard or them?

betnoir - oh, the good ol' days at the LASFS clubhouse, neh?

I got curious. I Googled SIGMA and got confirmation that this really DID go down from another source. (And that source is far more concerned about them, mind you.)

No, people making a living writing speculative fiction are not innately brighter than the average bear. Better educated, perhaps...but the rest is really up for debate.

I sure as heck ain't sharing a dinner check with them.

I love it when I see something like this -

And it makes me think of at least two people on my FL who don't know each other. At. All.

The link?

Libertarian SF writers literally run amok at the behest of the Department of Homeland Security Undersecretary Jay Cohen to much LOLs on my part.

Best parts?

“My guess is we won’t need quite so many paid agents of the state to do that for us, which means maybe we can try being a republic instead of an incompetent empire,” he said, then railed against the Transportation Security Administration for treating passengers like “subjects” rather than “citizens.”

The 45-minute panel discussion quickly deteriorated as federal, local and state homeland security officials, and at least one congressional aid, attempted to ask questions, which were largely ignored."

Yeah, that sounds familiar. Y'see, I have trouble hanging with people who treat people just as badly as they claim people are treating them. Funny, that. You want respect, and you're not getting it? Try setting an example. Or leave. Take your pick. You want to lead, LEAD for crying out loud. Sheesh.

Among the group’s approximately 24 members is Larry Niven, the bestselling and award-winning author of such books as “Ringworld” and “Lucifer’s Hammer,” which he co-wrote with SIGMA member Jerry Pournelle.

Niven said a good way to help hospitals stem financial losses is to spread rumors in Spanish within the Latino community that emergency rooms are killing patients in order to harvest their organs for transplants.

“The problem [of hospitals going broke] is hugely exaggerated by illegal aliens who aren’t going to pay for anything anyway,” Niven said.

“Do you know how politically incorrect you are?” Pournelle asked.

“I know it may not be possible to use this solution, but it does work,” Niven replied.

“I cannot guarantee I’m going to be a great help to Homeland Security,” Niven said earlier.

Ya think?

David Brin, keeping on the topic of empowering citizens with mobile phone technology, delivered a self-described “rant” on the lack of funds being spent to support citizen reservists to back up the military, homeland security officials and first responders in times of crisis.

“It is impossible for you to succeed without us!” he shouted at the assembled officials, while banging his fist on the table and at one point jumping off his chair to wave a mobile phone in their faces.

Ghad, the only thing missing is Harlan Ellison and Oreo cookies.

octal - who is this publication, and have you ever heard or them?

betnoir - oh, the good ol' days at the LASFS clubhouse, neh?

I got curious. I Googled SIGMA and got confirmation that this really DID go down from another source. (And that source is far more concerned about them, mind you.)

No, people making a living writing speculative fiction are not innately brighter than the average bear. Better educated, perhaps...but the rest is really up for debate.

I sure as heck ain't sharing a dinner check with them.

I love it when I see something like this -

And it makes me think of at least two people on my FL who don't know each other. At. All.

The link?

Libertarian SF writers literally run amok at the behest of the Department of Homeland Security Undersecretary Jay Cohen to much LOLs on my part.

Best parts?

“My guess is we won’t need quite so many paid agents of the state to do that for us, which means maybe we can try being a republic instead of an incompetent empire,” he said, then railed against the Transportation Security Administration for treating passengers like “subjects” rather than “citizens.”

The 45-minute panel discussion quickly deteriorated as federal, local and state homeland security officials, and at least one congressional aid, attempted to ask questions, which were largely ignored."

Yeah, that sounds familiar. Y'see, I have trouble hanging with people who treat people just as badly as they claim people are treating them. Funny, that. You want respect, and you're not getting it? Try setting an example. Or leave. Take your pick. You want to lead, LEAD for crying out loud. Sheesh.

Among the group’s approximately 24 members is Larry Niven, the bestselling and award-winning author of such books as “Ringworld” and “Lucifer’s Hammer,” which he co-wrote with SIGMA member Jerry Pournelle.

Niven said a good way to help hospitals stem financial losses is to spread rumors in Spanish within the Latino community that emergency rooms are killing patients in order to harvest their organs for transplants.

“The problem [of hospitals going broke] is hugely exaggerated by illegal aliens who aren’t going to pay for anything anyway,” Niven said.

“Do you know how politically incorrect you are?” Pournelle asked.

“I know it may not be possible to use this solution, but it does work,” Niven replied.

“I cannot guarantee I’m going to be a great help to Homeland Security,” Niven said earlier.

Ya think?

David Brin, keeping on the topic of empowering citizens with mobile phone technology, delivered a self-described “rant” on the lack of funds being spent to support citizen reservists to back up the military, homeland security officials and first responders in times of crisis.

“It is impossible for you to succeed without us!” he shouted at the assembled officials, while banging his fist on the table and at one point jumping off his chair to wave a mobile phone in their faces.

Ghad, the only thing missing is Harlan Ellison and Oreo cookies.

octal - who is this publication, and have you ever heard or them?

betnoir - oh, the good ol' days at the LASFS clubhouse, neh?

I got curious. I Googled SIGMA and got confirmation that this really DID go down from another source. (And that source is far more concerned about them, mind you.)

No, people making a living writing speculative fiction are not innately brighter than the average bear. Better educated, perhaps...but the rest is really up for debate.

I sure as heck ain't sharing a dinner check with them.

I need to go home -

That about sums up the day, I think.

I need to go home -

That about sums up the day, I think.

I need to go home -

That about sums up the day, I think.