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Aug. 3rd, 2004 12:19 pm
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Why this man was not tried as an accessory eludes me even now.

Whatever.

Anyone still think the death penalty is more cruel than making that woman live this life?

Date: 2004-08-03 12:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfwench.livejournal.com
You are preaching to the choir... I tend to think that there should be a death penalty.

Date: 2004-08-03 12:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kyburg.livejournal.com
Nah, over too soon.

Date: 2004-08-03 12:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bigbigtruck.livejournal.com
I can't muster up any sympathy for her :/

Date: 2004-08-03 12:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kyburg.livejournal.com
Sympathy, for her, no.

I'm just of the mind he's as much to blame - at some level - and gee, nothing happened to him. Lalala!

No, she's getting the exact punishment I would like to see.

Date: 2004-08-03 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lostboydv.livejournal.com
I don't understand. Why should he be tried as an accessory? He was at work when she killed them.

Date: 2004-08-03 12:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kyburg.livejournal.com
He left his children at home alone with a psycho. More than once, knowingly.

Isn't that worth at least a raised eyebrow?

Date: 2004-08-03 08:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lostboydv.livejournal.com
If he knew she was a danger to them, yeah. I agree that it should be investigated whether he could have known she was a danger to them. But I think taking him straight to trial before an investigation would be premature. I know a guy whose wife has schizophernia, and they are working hard to keep things nomral in the family. They have a son who is about 5 years old now, and I suppose the same thing could happen with their family. But so far, she has never harmed anyone. If she did so all of a sudden, it would be a surprise. But schizophenics are capable of it, so who knows. It's a difficult mess to understand. I leave it to the psychiatric experts and the families of those who have someone like that in their lives. I just feel awful for that family and any such family stricken by a member in that condition.

Date: 2004-08-03 09:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kyburg.livejournal.com
She was such a danger to herself, she was hospitalized more than once.

Crap, if Jim was that ill - the last thing I'd do is expect him to care for small children. I'd have called a parent, a sibling - someone - to take over while he was recovering.

But that guy wouldn't allow it.

Five children under the age of reason - one an infant - no, I'd never risk it. Rational, healthy adults only have a 2 to one ratio when providing care, under regulated conditions. Someone just out of a mental institution, still struggling with some heavy duty meds (I read one report that said he wanted her to go back on the haldol that had worked so well in the past...haldol...ye ghads) and clearly overwhelmed, not to mention psychotic - no, that's not a safe situation. Unstable, at best -

She snapped - and is receiving what I consider the best possible outcome for her actions.

However, the fact that her husband has essentially walked away from this scott-free just irks me no end. Head of household, responsible for everything that went on in it - yeah, right.

It was a huge risk daily - I can think of a number of things (and saw a number of things enter the ER, lemme tellya) that can happen to a single adult under the influence of children. Murdering them was only one of them.

No, I don't think she got adequate care or respite - and I don't think her husband was blameless.

My opinion - your mileage may vary.

Date: 2004-08-04 11:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lostboydv.livejournal.com
Oh, I didn't know all those details. Yeah, he should share the blame for it happening, then.

Date: 2004-08-03 12:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pagawne.livejournal.com
I know something about the facility in Rusk, Texas.
It used to be a very grim and dark place. "The Rusk State Hospital For the Criminaly Insane" Well known as a very secure dumping ground for the inconvienent or the mad.

This woman is living in hell.

Date: 2004-08-03 12:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kyburg.livejournal.com
May it last as long as humanly possible.

Date: 2004-08-03 12:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lordindra.livejournal.com
The problem I have with the death penalty is it can't be taken back or even reduced once it is given. You kill someone, they are dead. Later evidence surfaces to prove their innocence(either by the facts or due to insanity, self defense or some other "i did it but am not responsible" issue), they are still dead. Life imprisonment, you've still screwed over a large chunk of their life but they can be released and actually know they were finaly exonerated.

I cannot come up with any standard of evidence that, when considering human imperfection, would counter every possible way a person could be wrongly convicted, therefore I cannot support the death penalty. Its certainly bad to imprison an innocent person at all, but at least that can be partially revoked whereas execution cannot be. Killing people should be an absolute last resort, and only done to protect other life. Life imprisonment protects society about as well as execution does, and lets us correct mistakes in issuing it, making it a clearly superior option.

Date: 2004-08-03 12:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kyburg.livejournal.com
*nods* I also have a personal stance that resists anyone committing murder in my name - which is what the government maintains it is doing when it performs capital punishment.

I am commanded NOT to commit murder. Not by my hand or in my name - not at all.

No, life imprisonment is sufficient for me - and in some cases, like this one, most suitable.

Date: 2004-08-03 01:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampireanneke.livejournal.com
I don't believe in the death penalty because of how I was raised (thou shall not kill), and doing so, you just become the same as what your trying to prevent.

I think there should be far more rehebilitation done for prisoners then there is.

She obviouslly needs more then just rehebilitation help.

Date: 2004-08-03 02:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kyburg.livejournal.com
*nods* Whatever she needed, her children needed a rational adult at home and didn't get one.

Neither one.

Slow motion train wreck - and it's still not over.

Date: 2004-08-03 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moropus.livejournal.com
I agree. The husband had to have known she wasn't able to take care of herself, much less all the kids. How about child endangerment? child neglect? Child abuse? I'm tired of people who think he's a victim. He contributed to this by letting an insane woman 'care' for his children.

Date: 2004-08-04 05:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oblomova.livejournal.com
And why the hell didn't he get a vasectomy after her first post-partum breakdown, rather than impregnating her again?

Date: 2004-08-04 07:14 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kyburg.livejournal.com
Him? Do anything? Puleeze.

Date: 2004-08-04 07:17 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kyburg.livejournal.com
Hon, he's divorced her. All anyone has to do is look at the spacing to see there was no consideration of her needs - or the children's - when it came to fulfilling his own.

I'd make book as soon as that divorce is final, we're going to see him marrying again - and likely, pregnant at the time of as well.

*fume*

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