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They decided which cardinal was going to be Pope. Good for them. I like the name Benedict - it has nice connotations that have nothing to do with the Popes who have carried the name before this fellow, within the church's history.

Past that? You got me. I didn't even know what a Pope was until my senior year in high school. It's a Catholic thing - and I'm not Catholic, and make no bones about it.

Relativism? Huh? OH.

One thing I've learned from studying comparative religion is that just about all of them believe they Have It Right And Nobody Else Does.

Just about all. And you know something? I believe them. That's one of the commonalities, after all. God has spoke to US - this is our record, and our doctrines codify what we know to be True.

Thing is, I also believe God speaks to more than one group. That's another one of the commonalities. *winks* There are just too many things alike - one to the next, to the next. We, as people, are quite, QUITE fallible. God speaks to all of us - we just don't get it all down. And when we compare notes? We only see the holes. And start shunning. What a waste of time.

And just to be snarky? Also keep in mind a Pope is responsible, in a way, for justifying ALL of the infrastructure, bureaucracy, expense, pomp, circumstance, behavior, repression, codification - all of that has to be justified. If nobody else has it right, then they, by default, aren't wrong. Oh no.

Such arrogance.

I know I might be wrong. It's the only thing I really can be certain of.

Hey - tell you what. Celebrate the election of Benedict XVI by going to the Ben & Jerry's site and vote to resurrect Holy Cannoli from the flavor graveyard. It would make me very happy.

Past that? I really miss John Paul II. I am certain that is going to deepen as time goes on.

Date: 2005-04-19 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reannon.livejournal.com
*raises hand timidly*

Not all. Really. Not as many as you think.

Date: 2005-04-19 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lysana.livejournal.com
I was planning on making the same point.

Date: 2005-04-19 10:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kyburg.livejournal.com
"Just about all." Best argument I ever wittnessed was a Pure Land Buddhist and an Orthodox Catholic -

They both thought they were right, so help them - and the other guy was deluded. In Stereo. Amaaaaazing.

Date: 2005-04-20 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lysana.livejournal.com
You reduce a lot of neo-pagan, Hindu, and liberal Christian paths to almost nothing with that "just about all," you know. Semantically, you're declaring the vast majority to be blindered, and the three groups I mention are too large in aggregate to do that with any degree of safety.

Date: 2005-04-20 05:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kyburg.livejournal.com
Commonalities. As in, these great big groups who claim to be SO different - are absolutely alike in this regard.

Yes, you really can reduce a lot of paths down, looking at them that way.

Blindered? Hm. Only those who define their faith by exclusion need to worry about that, don't you think?

One vote..

Date: 2005-04-19 10:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] n6vfp.livejournal.com
One vote for Holy Canoli has been cast at Ben and Jerry's

Re: One vote..

Date: 2005-04-20 02:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makeitepic.livejournal.com
Make that two :)

Date: 2005-04-19 10:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] technoshaman.livejournal.com
I find myself more and more drawn towards the concepts of the UU folk... studying truth where you find it, and believing there are universal truths to be sussed out not by looking for the holes, but looking for the solid bits....

It's free scoop day at Ben and Jerry's. I think I'll go get one, and submit a comment card or something.

Date: 2005-04-19 10:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bigbigtruck.livejournal.com
Pope Happycat V will always be pope of my heart

Date: 2005-04-19 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moropus.livejournal.com
One vote for Holy Cannoli has been cast. What was in that one? I never noticed it when it was around.

Date: 2005-04-19 10:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kyburg.livejournal.com
Pistachios, cannoli bits and the ice cream was extra yummy. Want it back. Used to eat it for breakfast....

Date: 2005-04-19 11:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] turandot.livejournal.com
They decided which cardinal was going to be Pope. Good for them. I like the name Benedict - it has nice connotations that have nothing to do with the Popes who have carried the name before this fellow, within the church's history.

I'd have to disagree based on commentary I've heard of NPR that sounds more or less correct, at least going on 20-year old half remembered european history: the first Benedict was a Pope when the Roman Empire fell, and somehow managed to keep Rome and surrounding stable enough so to begin a socio-political process that culminated in a papal state that itself became a symbol of stability throughout the middle ages.

If anything, I think, the name is a message to those in a lot of Western Nations who are taking the death of John Paul II personally, as if it's the end of an era (I'm not one of them, FYI, since I don't identify my belief system with any religion, even the one I was raised on): that there is still stability to be found within this aging and conservative church.

If you ask me, they would need the "name as message" symbol, given the beatings this organization took with both the rise of evangelism (some aspects of which, frankly, scare the hell out of me - albeit for wholly different reasons than they would a Catholic), and the NA sex scandal.

That said, yeah ... "benedict(us)" means "bearing a blessing" in Latin (also going off of memory, not having cracked a Latin dictionary for nearly 15 years), which can't be a bad thing to have following someone who was considered to be larger than life. That's always a tough job, no matter which job it is. =P

Date: 2005-04-20 05:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kyburg.livejournal.com
I've known so many "benedictine" Catholics, since I had contact with one nun who left her order in San Diego all those years ago - I was thinking more of accounts like this one.

Ah

Date: 2005-04-20 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] turandot.livejournal.com
Gotcha. Thinking strict rules of absceticism, instead. =P

Possible message, too. The punditry wagon is still working on their verdict. ;)

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