My personal take -

[kyburg]

So three, maybe four states, are certain they can outlaw a medical procedure.

I'm curious to see how they plan to enforce it. Really. I'm old enough to remember the world before Roe v. Wade, and I have a mother who was a medical professional since 1942. They patched up the women who presented after the illegal abortions they obtained - if they were done improperly, of course - they had entire wards devoted to the problem.

You heard more about the victims than anyone who actually did the procedures, of course.

I grew up with the idea that if I didn't want to be faced with the issue of abortion, I needed to not get in the position of desiring one.

I was the girl who sat on the edge of the theater seat if a boy put his arm around me.

I never dated. I never attended a school dance, a prom or a party. Of any kind.

I learned to wear makeup in theater arts class - and it was stage makeup. Street makeup? No. To this day, I don't wear *anything* on a daily basis, not even lip gloss.

I lost my virginity at 24, married the fellow at 25 and had no other sex partners until my current husband.

When it came time to be certified by DCFS for adoption, they had concerns about us because they didn't think we were "intimate" correctly and sent us to therapy.

Careful doesn't begin to cut it.

And no, I've never thought anyone had to do what I did to be "moral." It was what I decided to do - a personal choice.

I also know that there is more than one reason to terminate a pregnancy - some of them entire valid for the safety of the woman, and the possibility of future children down the road.

So. You want to make it illegal.

Roll the clock back.

Okay.

Put back all the homes for wayward teens and unwed mothers. Put back the reasonable adoption statues that would allow placements. Make money available for public adoption agencies to house, feed and care for women who want to place their children, but don't want to deal with a private agency that has an agenda. They existed. They don't, anymore. Make it possible for women to complete pregnancies safely - make it illegal to evict, starve or refuse health care to a pregnant woman. Make it illegal to fire one.

C'mon. This is just the start, huh? Let's make the whole abortion industry die of starvation. C'mon.

What.

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You make it such a crime to have a working female gender. It makes you kind of want to have your tits removed and your zorch sewn shut. Paying me 25% less over a lifetime wasn't enough, huh?

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All kinds of sadness here...

[yasha-chan.livejournal.com]

Why can't birth control and sterilization be government sanctioned and provided cheaply and easily? Why is sex a bad thing that people must be punished for having unless they meet a certain criteria? And why is it such a taboo subject, yet so blatantly and repetatively used in the media and hyped up to be forced into everybody's mind constantly?

Why do we promote ignorance as an answer?

Hearing stuff like this scares me. I don't give a shit what you believe, but have some goddamn tolerence and common sense people.

When you make abortion illegal more people die. People either find themselves a back alley or long-distance abortion, or they try to do it themselves because they feel they have no alternative.

Forcing women to carry a dead thing inside of them for months is utterly abhorrent. I can't understand how such a monsterous concept was accepted, nay, encouraged. Gdsf.

The systems in place for families under the poverty line don't work. Adoption is discouraged in this country, because it's not pwecious unles it's your own and unless you're broken and can't have your own it's "just weird" to adopt. Foster care in this country is an appauling joke.

Let's see some pro-lifers put their money where their "beliefs" are, show a little charity and do something to save the millions of kids out there that need food, and shelter, and someone to give a damn about them.

But it's still never okay to take away someone's rights, ESPECIALLY something as personal and important as their reproductive rights.

Re: All kinds of sadness here...

[bigbigtruck.livejournal.com]

Forcing women to carry a dead thing inside of them for months is utterly abhorrent.

Some doctors even here in Austin don't think so. "Stupid bitch had the gall to miscarry; I'll just refuse to give her proper treatment!'

Re: All kinds of sadness here...

[yasha-chan.livejournal.com]

Why are the people who usually do things like that almost always men?

I don't see many women, regardless of their beliefs and political affiliations, going THAT far. I won't say that it couldn't happen, because I know some of these people backing these bills that passed are female (the worst part...)

Why the hell do they care about a dead fetus anyway? Someone went into an in-depth explaination of why really hardcore Catholics forbid it (using the case of a woman whose fetus had died), but for some of the other sects I just don't get it.

Not that I think anyone's religious beliefs should have anything to do with our government, of course.

Re: All kinds of sadness here...

[kyburg.livejournal.com]

Obviously, you have not run into the women who think that stuff only happens to "girls who deserve it."

Yanno. The ones "prettier than them, sluttier than them, stupider than them..." The list is endless.

Bad Things happen to Other People.

In this case, it's not just the men doing it to us.

We got a lot of women doing to themselves as well.

Think about it a moment. Who can actually get pregnant? 50% of the world? Not really. Women can only get pregnant reliably for about 20 years of a 70-100 year lifespan. And not all of those between say, 13 and 33 are fertile to begin with.

So there are a LOT more people who can't get pregnant, than those who can.

I'd like to discount the envy factor here, but I'm also afraid I can't.

Re: All kinds of sadness here...

[yasha-chan.livejournal.com]

Yep, you pegged me good. I've never seen that behavior, but I think if some of my other female family members had lived, I would have experienced that kind of attitude.

That said, I still can't really understand it and it scares me because that line of thinking is so ignorant and so destructive. It frightens me such thinking is used in the creation of laws that govern the health of ALL women.

I guess it's just more evidence of the deep, true ignorance in this country, and the way people have been trained to cut off their empathy and find an enemy in almost everything.