Rocks fall, everyone dies -
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kyburgI don't know, but I'm sure other people have some verbal traditions within their families when it comes to dealing with certain subjects. These two parables have been told quite freely from time to time. Have you ever heard them?
A sparrow, lost and separated from its flock during the fall migration, gets stranded alone during an early snowstorm where he can't see or hear where he is, thrown to the ground he was - buried in the snow. Soon, he's going to freeze to death, he's so cold!
What he doesn't know, is that he's in a pasture full of dairy cows. Trying to free himself from the clot of snow he's fallen into, a cow walks over him - and as luck would have it, dumps a load on top of him.
It's smelly, awful - and warm! Able to free himself from the manure, he sings out of pure joy of being able to see where he is and warm enough to know he's going to be okay!
Hearing the bird singing, a local fox steals quickly into the pasture, frees him from his stinky situation...and gobbles him up.
MORAL: Someone who takes a dump on you isn't always doing it out of malice; and someone who notices you making a racket because you're in shit and gets you out of it, isn't always doing you a favor.
The other?
There once was a boy with a terrible temper. After being lectured by his father over fights picked with his brothers, sisters, friends and schoolmates, he is taken to the backyard with its white picket fence. His father has brought a bag of nails and a hammer.
"For every time you've lost your temper with another person, hammer a nail into this fence." Doing as he was told, there was shortly a neat row of three-penny nails hammered into the fence.
"Now son. For each time you've apologized for losing your temper, remove the nail." Again, for he was at heart a good child, he removed each nail.
"See what you've left behind?" said the father, pointing towards the fence. For there was indeed a very nice, neat row of holes where the nails had been. "That is the harm you've done with your temper that can't be undone. What you've done to your reputation, their feelings, their trust...things that can't be unmade again. Remember this the next time you want to take out your frustrations on someone with your temper. And find another way, instead."
Seriously, what's the deal with considering a vicious temper to be a character asset?
Both genders, to be certain - but stop me if you haven't heard this one lately:
"Nobody takes advantage of me. They'll find out very quickly I'm not going to be taken lightly - "
And then you get the laundry list. What they're going to say (and how), what they'll do (with what) and when - just because that made them angry.
Cliff once taught me a beautiful lesson about people who routinely lost their tempers. You let them. They want to stomp off, threaten never to talk to you again and so forth? You let them.
You let them - and pay absolutely no attention to them as they do whatever it is they threaten to do. Once they figure out it has no power over your decision making process, they usually calm down, notice they've made a colossal ass of themselves, apologize and come back to the table. (At least, the ones who learn from their mistakes do. The ones who can't admit they make mistakes are often the ones who use more insanely angry actions to justify the ones they shouldn't have used in the first place!)
You can also decide that you don't want to deal with the emotional instability and blackmail any longer, and walk. Nice guy's revenge. (Hey, remember those holes in the fence? Nobody has to forgive you for those, y'know. They also don't have to keep coming back for more of the same.)
You allow them to teach themselves the folly of trying to use their emotions against others. (And never underestimate the power of a stubborn, dispassionate Swiss.)
Cliff was also a big proponent of doing what he called "making your argument." You never go up against someone in a dispute unless you are dead certain you can win the argument in sheer cold reality. Losing your temper? You've instantly lost your cool, and lost your argument in the bargain because you've come off as an immature child Only children lose their tempers, after all, because they haven't learned better. If you can't make your argument, keep your mouth shut. Can't present your argument without losing your temper? You've lost before you've begun. Try again when you've gotten a grip. Seriously.
Most of the time, if I go over the facts in a matter to try and make an argument against it - and can't - it's very easy to come down from an irritated position before getting really angry. It's also possible to see the other side of things without having to admit defeat in a public contest of wills.
Another thing he told me was to remove all emotion from the thought processes when building your argument. You don't have a dispute simply because you are hurt, angry, upset, whatever. You have disputes because things are out of whack - and cause frictions, which lead to hurt feelings, whatever. You resolve the imbalances...you're responsible for your own feelings. Keep them out of it. Deal with the real problems. Your simple being out of joint is not the Real Problem.
It didn't take a lot of tries before I found out myself how effective this was. (You want a prime example? Via![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
theferret, here's one. Didn't even have to look far for it.)
I don't hold my anger more valuable than my wisdom, after all. Also, I'm not insecure enough to instantly, angrily, defend myself if anyone wants to correct me. I can be wrong - hell, I can be dead wrong at times. I know it - you know it. So what's the big deal?
You want to try to make me angry? Well, you can try. I'm afraid if I start laughing, you might take a swing at me.
I've had a lot of years of teaching to help me deal with my temper. Doesn't mean I don't have one - and it's deadly. Both Jim and I have the irrational, raging tempers of neglected children - but both of us have had a lot of training to minimize the damage and gain control over ourselves. Jim's 6'4" and everything is at the surface with him - these days, you get a glimpse of the temper he had before he came out to live with me when he gets frustrated with video games. Just a hint, mind.
In his case, it cost him jobs - real jobs - and kept him from having a very happy life, to be blunt. You'll hear about anger management courses, and how they are often court-ordered for rage-related crimes. He can tell you - and will anytime you ask him - they work, as he took them by choice. You are often taught a lot of things you never got at home, and often, completely opposite of what you did get at home. You want to find those courses, you have to follow the path people court-ordered to take the classes have to take, but they're there and often a bargain compared to most therapy hours, because they are often court-ordered. It didn't take very long for him - six months, I think. Getting the strokes from the changes he made only hastened the process - he applied what he'd been taught, and all of a sudden, the jobs lasted longer...were more fulfilling, and more plentiful. Relations improved with family members, he made friends and gained trust far, far more easily.
For all of that work - he says I have a bigger temper than he does. He very well may be right. Family calls me "the nuke" - because if I truly get angry and take action, very little is left standing. The scary part is these days, I don't even raise my voice. You see my anger in actions - not words, threats or tantrums. What surprises me still is that I fool nobody. If I'm angry, people know it - even when I haven't been very 'traditional' about showing it.
Suffice it to say, "the nuke" is rarely used. In fact, I don't think anyone truly deserves to get "nuked," if you get the meaning. After all, gaining control over one's temper - isn't that a mark of your maturity? Your ability to co-exist with others successfully? (Even when they've done something you really, REALLY don't like?)
I mean, sitting behind your barriers hissing and spitting like a wet cat hardly makes sense, when you can come out, share a bit and get a lot in return. Cooperation is cheaper than aggression, trust me on this one. The side benefits can't be beat, either. I've lost jobs with my temper too; friends as well. It's not worth it.
I hear you, I hear you. "Trust issues."
Remember the lesson of the kitten and the mirror. You know, the one where the kitten fluffs itself up to three times its size, hisses and dances at its own reflection, thinking there was Another Kitten threatening it?
And in reality, there was nothing to fear at all?
Relax.
Yeah, you lose your temper, you look like an ass. You don't look threatening, intelligent, strong, intimidating - none of that. (Yes, you. Everyone looks like a real idiot when they lose it. You're not special. Neither am I. Moving on.)
You've also made your point (but not your argument). That you can't be reasoned with on the same level. Someone has to step down to yours.
Anger is an emotion, like pain, like joy - it isn't fuel. It isn't memory. It isn't intellect. Matter of fact, it is one of the quickest emotions to leave - if you let it. It's like fire, true - but you know what they say about fire - "good servant, poor master." And if you cut off the fuel to a fire, you know what happens? It goes out.
It isn't an asset.
People who let their tempers master them? I've seen them do a lot of damage very quickly that can't be undone. "Rocks fall, everyone DIES!"
Your temper is not the last resort before the rubber meets the road - it's an early warning system, designed to alert you to "gotcha" things. For it to be considered a personality trait?
I guess I'm supposed to accept it as a "quirk" and mark it for future reference. *shakes head sadly*
No. I won't do that. That's an insult, to you. (Wow, I can recognize insults without losing my temper? Yeah.) It makes the assumption you're incapable of gaining mastery over yourself. Flawed. Permanently defective. Uh, no.
Again, what I do - not what TO do. My temper has gotten me into it - it's never gotten me OUT of it.
Don't burn the bridge if you want to cross it later. Losing your temper shows ignorance of the potentials of a win/win situation. You win when you make your argument, not when you lash out at your opponent in anger.
Remember your impact on others.
"Friends" who indulge your tantrums? Aren't doing you any favors. The person who comes along and tells you to cool it, might be. The person who is willing to listen dispassionately about what bugs you, without having to share in your angry feelings? Cherish them.
You get the world you ask for. In this, like so many other things - and if Cliff was anything, he was as fair as he could humanly be. That's how he approached the world, and in return - the world he dealt with, approached him in much the same fashion, as far as it was possible.
So. I try to be fair. That's a legitimate choice, isn't it?
As I was taught, so I try to do - as they say, no system ever created is immune from needing improvement. And so it goes.
Be good to each other, neh?
A sparrow, lost and separated from its flock during the fall migration, gets stranded alone during an early snowstorm where he can't see or hear where he is, thrown to the ground he was - buried in the snow. Soon, he's going to freeze to death, he's so cold!
What he doesn't know, is that he's in a pasture full of dairy cows. Trying to free himself from the clot of snow he's fallen into, a cow walks over him - and as luck would have it, dumps a load on top of him.
It's smelly, awful - and warm! Able to free himself from the manure, he sings out of pure joy of being able to see where he is and warm enough to know he's going to be okay!
Hearing the bird singing, a local fox steals quickly into the pasture, frees him from his stinky situation...and gobbles him up.
MORAL: Someone who takes a dump on you isn't always doing it out of malice; and someone who notices you making a racket because you're in shit and gets you out of it, isn't always doing you a favor.
The other?
There once was a boy with a terrible temper. After being lectured by his father over fights picked with his brothers, sisters, friends and schoolmates, he is taken to the backyard with its white picket fence. His father has brought a bag of nails and a hammer.
"For every time you've lost your temper with another person, hammer a nail into this fence." Doing as he was told, there was shortly a neat row of three-penny nails hammered into the fence.
"Now son. For each time you've apologized for losing your temper, remove the nail." Again, for he was at heart a good child, he removed each nail.
"See what you've left behind?" said the father, pointing towards the fence. For there was indeed a very nice, neat row of holes where the nails had been. "That is the harm you've done with your temper that can't be undone. What you've done to your reputation, their feelings, their trust...things that can't be unmade again. Remember this the next time you want to take out your frustrations on someone with your temper. And find another way, instead."
Seriously, what's the deal with considering a vicious temper to be a character asset?
Both genders, to be certain - but stop me if you haven't heard this one lately:
"Nobody takes advantage of me. They'll find out very quickly I'm not going to be taken lightly - "
And then you get the laundry list. What they're going to say (and how), what they'll do (with what) and when - just because that made them angry.
Cliff once taught me a beautiful lesson about people who routinely lost their tempers. You let them. They want to stomp off, threaten never to talk to you again and so forth? You let them.
You let them - and pay absolutely no attention to them as they do whatever it is they threaten to do. Once they figure out it has no power over your decision making process, they usually calm down, notice they've made a colossal ass of themselves, apologize and come back to the table. (At least, the ones who learn from their mistakes do. The ones who can't admit they make mistakes are often the ones who use more insanely angry actions to justify the ones they shouldn't have used in the first place!)
You can also decide that you don't want to deal with the emotional instability and blackmail any longer, and walk. Nice guy's revenge. (Hey, remember those holes in the fence? Nobody has to forgive you for those, y'know. They also don't have to keep coming back for more of the same.)
You allow them to teach themselves the folly of trying to use their emotions against others. (And never underestimate the power of a stubborn, dispassionate Swiss.)
Cliff was also a big proponent of doing what he called "making your argument." You never go up against someone in a dispute unless you are dead certain you can win the argument in sheer cold reality. Losing your temper? You've instantly lost your cool, and lost your argument in the bargain because you've come off as an immature child Only children lose their tempers, after all, because they haven't learned better. If you can't make your argument, keep your mouth shut. Can't present your argument without losing your temper? You've lost before you've begun. Try again when you've gotten a grip. Seriously.
Most of the time, if I go over the facts in a matter to try and make an argument against it - and can't - it's very easy to come down from an irritated position before getting really angry. It's also possible to see the other side of things without having to admit defeat in a public contest of wills.
Another thing he told me was to remove all emotion from the thought processes when building your argument. You don't have a dispute simply because you are hurt, angry, upset, whatever. You have disputes because things are out of whack - and cause frictions, which lead to hurt feelings, whatever. You resolve the imbalances...you're responsible for your own feelings. Keep them out of it. Deal with the real problems. Your simple being out of joint is not the Real Problem.
It didn't take a lot of tries before I found out myself how effective this was. (You want a prime example? Via
theferret, here's one. Didn't even have to look far for it.)I don't hold my anger more valuable than my wisdom, after all. Also, I'm not insecure enough to instantly, angrily, defend myself if anyone wants to correct me. I can be wrong - hell, I can be dead wrong at times. I know it - you know it. So what's the big deal?
You want to try to make me angry? Well, you can try. I'm afraid if I start laughing, you might take a swing at me.
I've had a lot of years of teaching to help me deal with my temper. Doesn't mean I don't have one - and it's deadly. Both Jim and I have the irrational, raging tempers of neglected children - but both of us have had a lot of training to minimize the damage and gain control over ourselves. Jim's 6'4" and everything is at the surface with him - these days, you get a glimpse of the temper he had before he came out to live with me when he gets frustrated with video games. Just a hint, mind.
In his case, it cost him jobs - real jobs - and kept him from having a very happy life, to be blunt. You'll hear about anger management courses, and how they are often court-ordered for rage-related crimes. He can tell you - and will anytime you ask him - they work, as he took them by choice. You are often taught a lot of things you never got at home, and often, completely opposite of what you did get at home. You want to find those courses, you have to follow the path people court-ordered to take the classes have to take, but they're there and often a bargain compared to most therapy hours, because they are often court-ordered. It didn't take very long for him - six months, I think. Getting the strokes from the changes he made only hastened the process - he applied what he'd been taught, and all of a sudden, the jobs lasted longer...were more fulfilling, and more plentiful. Relations improved with family members, he made friends and gained trust far, far more easily.
For all of that work - he says I have a bigger temper than he does. He very well may be right. Family calls me "the nuke" - because if I truly get angry and take action, very little is left standing. The scary part is these days, I don't even raise my voice. You see my anger in actions - not words, threats or tantrums. What surprises me still is that I fool nobody. If I'm angry, people know it - even when I haven't been very 'traditional' about showing it.
Suffice it to say, "the nuke" is rarely used. In fact, I don't think anyone truly deserves to get "nuked," if you get the meaning. After all, gaining control over one's temper - isn't that a mark of your maturity? Your ability to co-exist with others successfully? (Even when they've done something you really, REALLY don't like?)
I mean, sitting behind your barriers hissing and spitting like a wet cat hardly makes sense, when you can come out, share a bit and get a lot in return. Cooperation is cheaper than aggression, trust me on this one. The side benefits can't be beat, either. I've lost jobs with my temper too; friends as well. It's not worth it.
I hear you, I hear you. "Trust issues."
Remember the lesson of the kitten and the mirror. You know, the one where the kitten fluffs itself up to three times its size, hisses and dances at its own reflection, thinking there was Another Kitten threatening it?
And in reality, there was nothing to fear at all?
Relax.
Yeah, you lose your temper, you look like an ass. You don't look threatening, intelligent, strong, intimidating - none of that. (Yes, you. Everyone looks like a real idiot when they lose it. You're not special. Neither am I. Moving on.)
You've also made your point (but not your argument). That you can't be reasoned with on the same level. Someone has to step down to yours.
Anger is an emotion, like pain, like joy - it isn't fuel. It isn't memory. It isn't intellect. Matter of fact, it is one of the quickest emotions to leave - if you let it. It's like fire, true - but you know what they say about fire - "good servant, poor master." And if you cut off the fuel to a fire, you know what happens? It goes out.
It isn't an asset.
People who let their tempers master them? I've seen them do a lot of damage very quickly that can't be undone. "Rocks fall, everyone DIES!"
Your temper is not the last resort before the rubber meets the road - it's an early warning system, designed to alert you to "gotcha" things. For it to be considered a personality trait?
I guess I'm supposed to accept it as a "quirk" and mark it for future reference. *shakes head sadly*
No. I won't do that. That's an insult, to you. (Wow, I can recognize insults without losing my temper? Yeah.) It makes the assumption you're incapable of gaining mastery over yourself. Flawed. Permanently defective. Uh, no.
Again, what I do - not what TO do. My temper has gotten me into it - it's never gotten me OUT of it.
Don't burn the bridge if you want to cross it later. Losing your temper shows ignorance of the potentials of a win/win situation. You win when you make your argument, not when you lash out at your opponent in anger.
Remember your impact on others.
"Friends" who indulge your tantrums? Aren't doing you any favors. The person who comes along and tells you to cool it, might be. The person who is willing to listen dispassionately about what bugs you, without having to share in your angry feelings? Cherish them.
You get the world you ask for. In this, like so many other things - and if Cliff was anything, he was as fair as he could humanly be. That's how he approached the world, and in return - the world he dealt with, approached him in much the same fashion, as far as it was possible.
So. I try to be fair. That's a legitimate choice, isn't it?
As I was taught, so I try to do - as they say, no system ever created is immune from needing improvement. And so it goes.
Be good to each other, neh?
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Added this to my memories
Date: 2006-06-13 09:36 pm (UTC)By the by, I'd heard the second exactly as you told it, but the first was somewhat new to me, at least the part about the fox.
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Date: 2006-06-13 09:38 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-06-13 09:41 pm (UTC)I simply do not see the advantage in "getting them back," in causing great harm because I was caused harm. It does not good. It doesn't alleviate the original pain. Some may see themselves as being part of a greater plan to balance out the karma of the universe, but I think it tips the karma the other way - against you.
But then, maybe I'm just a wussy doormat. I don't know. But I believe that all the sound and fury in the universe still signfies nothing.
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Date: 2006-06-13 09:45 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-06-13 09:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-06-13 09:53 pm (UTC)Otherwise? A huuuuuuge mess. That's putting it mildly.
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Date: 2006-06-13 10:04 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-06-13 10:16 pm (UTC)Thanks
Date: 2006-06-13 10:19 pm (UTC)mayhave lost sight of an argument here and there in anger. The only thing is... people who pride themselves on not taking any shit from anyone? I don't get them. It's like priding yourself in lacking patience. I may get angry oftentimes, but I only get angry after I feel the other person just doesn't really care what I might want or need (and being that I'm very timid about setting boundaries, it does cause problems... so I'm working on learning how to state directly what I will and will not tolerate, both to myself and others as needed).I have buttons, and you learn what those are, it's gonna be mighty tempting to some people to push those buttons. My brother's like that: he sees buttons in people, he pushes. It's his way to let you know he gives a damn. Of course for a long time, especially when we were both growing up, it made for an explosive combination. He'd push, I'd shove back, tempers would flair, anger would set in on my part, hurt on his. We're both better at it now, but it involves both of us putting the brakes on that type of interaction.
As you said, you walk away. It's not just a strategy for the other party, it's one for the angry person too. You close your eyes and count to twenty in your head. That doesn't help, you're still mad as hell, you just walk away, physically if needed. Sometimes, you never walk back. I've had that happen to me, I just had to decide that I couldn't be friends with someone because whether consciously or subconciously they went out of their way to get me upset and angry, and I did not like being pushed into that corner. You only get a limited amount of strikes like that, in my book: if your well being depends on how shitty you can make me feel (because I often feel sorry as soon as I start losing my temper, mind you), then I won't be around you if I don't have to.
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Date: 2006-06-13 10:25 pm (UTC)It took me a long, long time to learn not to be that friend. I was raised to be a peacemaker, and I'm really bad about offering consolation when stony disapproval would be a better choice. But I'm learning!
This is great. Mind if I link to it? (I'll do it tomorrow morning when you are likely to get more readers!)
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Date: 2006-06-13 10:32 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-06-13 10:35 pm (UTC)Only tool they have is a hammer. I only propose they expand their choices. I had someone show me once - good thing I was a fast learner.
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Date: 2006-06-13 11:07 pm (UTC)The one thing I would add to that is another lesson about anger that took me far, far too long to learn:
Nobody can be angry and enjoy life at the same time. The very act of being angry inevitably leads to misery for onesself, and no matter what you do to the other person, you won't stop your own life from being torn up by your anger in the process. If you choose to get angry at things other people do, then you are allowing others to make you miserable, and why would anybody want that?
Find a way, any way, to let go of your own anger, and you will be happier for it. And if you're happy, then who cares about those other people and what does or doesn't happen to them? When you're actually able to truly enjoy your life, then petty things like revenge simply don't matter anymore.
Now, everybody who knows me knows I'm not an emotional person. In fact, I suspect a lot of people would tell you I'm the calmest person they know. You can't piss me off if you try. I guarantee you can't. Oh, sure, I'll get frustrated, or maybe a little annoyed, but that's really not the same thing. But what might surprise some people is that I have a temper too. Very few people have ever seen it, especially as I've matured, but it's still there. And if I ever get mad, really actually angry, I can be truly vicious, and I mean scalpel-to-the-heart vicious. I've truly hurt people in lasting ways just with a few words said in real anger. To be honest, the fact that I am actually capable of doing such a thing scares the hell out of me sometimes.
But I'm not as scared as I might be, because I know in my heart that what I said above is true, and with that knowledge comes power over my own anger, and with that power comes a more enjoyable life as well. And that's what's really important.
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Date: 2006-06-14 12:35 am (UTC)thank you
thank you
(i know it wasn't directed at me, but i'm taking it as such anyways)
i needed this. it's a wake up call. i have a problem, and i need help. i KNOW this. i just don't want to have to go the court-appointed route. =/
but thank you.
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Date: 2006-06-14 01:35 am (UTC)But nothing could be so true as anger and happiness being mutually exclusive. You'd take steps to stop someone from shutting their hand in a car door - why wouldn't you take steps to lead people away from losing their temper, and gaining self-control? So true. So very, very true.
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Date: 2006-06-14 01:36 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-06-14 01:45 am (UTC)Although, for me, it seems if I'm angry, I need to be able to FEEL it instead of stuffing it because stuffing it usually means the anger ends up turned inward - where it usually turns more toxic - and that's not healthy for me either.
I don't usually expect anyone to 'indulge' my temper, and the only people who typically get subjected to it are the people on my friendslist (when I rant), those in traffic who do stupid things (like, say, the people who try to cut me off when the lane I'm in is *ack!* ending.), and those sorts.
If I've ever subjected you or Jim to my fits of temper, I duly apologise... I know how horrible I can be during those times.
C.
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Date: 2006-06-14 02:02 am (UTC)I KNOW how 'good' it feels to let it fly. You feel strong, empowered and unbeatable. Unfortunately, all everyone else around you feel is afraid.
As for seeing your temper, I don't recall an instance, but as I've already said, it's okay to be mad at people. Just take to time to think things through before doing something rash.
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Date: 2006-06-14 02:13 am (UTC)If I may play armchair shrink for a moment (just try to stop me!) I think people who do that, much like people who put "I'm a real bitch!" on the user info of their LJ do so out of the belief (mistaken or not) that they're actually much-trod-upon doormats. Most of the people I know who are like that usually believe that most of their lives they were taken advantage of, and so they cultivated these "badass" traits to scare off anyone who might try to take advantage again in the future.
In truth they're probably no more hard done by than anyone else, but this is their defense mechanism. I can understand the temptation to do this; fortunately I also understand how utterly lame it sounds. Because you're right, everyone has a temper, big deal. To me it's not something to be ashamed OR proud of, it just IS. I myself can be quite the hothead but I've got a long fuse so unless you're a complete jackass you may never see me get mad at you (that's a general "you" obviously, since I'd have no reason to get mad at you specifically). Also, learning to simply not deal with people who piss me off unless it's absolutely necessary (oddly, it's pretty much never absolutely necessary) is the most wonderful lesson ever. You mean I can just walk away from people I dislike?? FREEDOM GLORIOUS FREEDOM!!
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Date: 2006-06-14 02:14 am (UTC)Kids loose it; adults use it. For what? Your best advantage - and rarely, if ever, are you going to be in the position to use a situation to your advantage if you're off in left field pissed off.
As Jim says, I haven't seen anything toxic in you - believe me, don't you think we'd tell you? *winks*
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Date: 2006-06-14 02:16 am (UTC)As I'm fond of saying - I'm not everyone's cup of tea. If you're fine with that, so am I.
Re: Thanks
Date: 2006-06-14 02:19 am (UTC)Re: Added this to my memories
Date: 2006-06-14 02:19 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-06-14 02:47 am (UTC)Or, they could channel all their rage at their computer, like I have. :P Stupid celeron processor.
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Date: 2006-06-14 02:48 am (UTC)I know how I can get and how I can be sometimes...
I do know what consequences are, and I know how scary someone in full temper can be... through my own observations of myself, and of others...
C.