It's all about the kids this morning -
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kyburgRoberts lost a child of his own three years ago and "that had something to do with his state of mind," Mr Miller said.
"He was angry with life and he may have been angry with God for having lost a child.
"It appears he chose this school because it was close to his home, it had the female victims he was looking for and it probably seemed easier to get into than some bigger school."
Don't look for reasons. You won't find any that will make any sense.
But as the story develops, I'm finding myself not surprised by what is found.
"Once the police entered the building they found a cache of weapons and supplies that indicated Roberts had prepared for a long siege.
They included the nine millimetre semi-automatic pistol, two shotguns, a stun gun, two knives, two cans of gunpowder and 600 rounds of ammunition.
In a toolbox near his body, police discovered bolts he had used to barricade the school doors, pliers and wires he had used to bind the girls' legs. A bucket he brought into the building contained earplugs, toilet paper and a clean change of clothing, the police said."
W.
T.
F.
Friends and co-workers had noted a change in mood - and then, suddenly - it was gone. Like he'd made a decision he was happy with - much like any other person who comes to a conclusion to commit suicide and has finished their plan.
Even MSN's splash pages are reporting much the same. "10 Myths About School Shootings." My favorite?
Myth No. 2. “He just snapped.”
Uh, no.
Rarely were incidents of school violence sudden, impulsive acts. Attackers do not “just snap,” but progress from forming an idea, to planning an attack, to gathering weapons. This process can happen quickly, but sometimes the planning or gathering weapons are discoverable.
McVey, anyone?
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And so, Foley has checked in rehab? For treatment of pedophilia? Alcoholism?! You gotta be shitting me.
Oh, please. Wrong end, Charlie.
"He was angry with life and he may have been angry with God for having lost a child.
"It appears he chose this school because it was close to his home, it had the female victims he was looking for and it probably seemed easier to get into than some bigger school."
Don't look for reasons. You won't find any that will make any sense.
But as the story develops, I'm finding myself not surprised by what is found.
"Once the police entered the building they found a cache of weapons and supplies that indicated Roberts had prepared for a long siege.
They included the nine millimetre semi-automatic pistol, two shotguns, a stun gun, two knives, two cans of gunpowder and 600 rounds of ammunition.
In a toolbox near his body, police discovered bolts he had used to barricade the school doors, pliers and wires he had used to bind the girls' legs. A bucket he brought into the building contained earplugs, toilet paper and a clean change of clothing, the police said."
W.
T.
F.
Friends and co-workers had noted a change in mood - and then, suddenly - it was gone. Like he'd made a decision he was happy with - much like any other person who comes to a conclusion to commit suicide and has finished their plan.
Even MSN's splash pages are reporting much the same. "10 Myths About School Shootings." My favorite?
Myth No. 2. “He just snapped.”
Uh, no.
Rarely were incidents of school violence sudden, impulsive acts. Attackers do not “just snap,” but progress from forming an idea, to planning an attack, to gathering weapons. This process can happen quickly, but sometimes the planning or gathering weapons are discoverable.
McVey, anyone?
--
And so, Foley has checked in rehab? For treatment of pedophilia? Alcoholism?! You gotta be shitting me.
Oh, please. Wrong end, Charlie.
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Date: 2006-10-03 05:33 pm (UTC)Attraction to 16 and 17 yr olds is defined in the psychological literature as 'normal'.
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Date: 2006-10-03 05:53 pm (UTC)Uh, no. Attraction is normal - but not between adults who have reached their significant majority, and children.
And yes. Anyone under the age of 18 is a child. Appearances notwithstanding, and age-appropriate development as well.
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Date: 2006-10-03 06:56 pm (UTC)If you think a 17 yr old is at the same level of mental development as a 7 yr old, I'm sorry, but they're not. In most societies a 17 yr old is almost fully independent, if not considered a complete adult. They can drive, hold a job, get married, etc.
The only relevant definitions in this case are those set by the DSM IV, which sets the definition of pedophilia:
"The paraphilic focus of Pedophilia involves sexual activity with a prepubescent child (generally age 13 years or younger). The individual with Pedophilia must be age 16 years or older and at least 5 years older than the child."
Attraction to a 16 or 17 year old is not pedophilia in even the remotest sense of the word's actual definition. Pretending that 16 or 17 yr olds are at the same mental and physical development level of 6 or 7 year olds is infantilizing and offensive.
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Date: 2006-10-03 07:02 pm (UTC)1. Can you back up this claim?
2. Doesn't matter what any psych lit says about the behavior. The law says if you're under 18, you're a child in the eyes of a judge and jury.
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Date: 2006-10-03 07:41 pm (UTC)The law says if you're under 18, you're a child in the eyes of a judge and jury.
Date: 2006-10-03 10:42 pm (UTC)I'm card-carrying mentally ill and when I feel ill, I see my doctor. I take responsibility for my actions. I take medications so I can function. The goobers are not helping the mentally ill community by making mental illness an excuse for everything.
They used to get wrapped up in people wearing black clothes. I have a lot of black clothes because I don't do fashion, I spill stuff, black goes with everything and is good for all occasions except a wedding. I have a black trench coat because my mom got tired of me wearing all my windbreakers at the same time and bought me one. She's of retirement age and has no concept of black clothes meaning you're going to kill people. She thinks it's highly conservative. So do I. But I have had to talk to shrinks and people I work for about my life-long habit of wearing black a lot because of these stupid myths.
The man did not just snap. He went out and acquired a whole lot of stuff to commit his crime with.
Foley has no excuse either. He is allegedly guilty of sexual harrassment in the workplace and supplying alcohol to minors. Now people are bringing up Bill Clinton and Monica. At least she was old enough to be a college graduate.
Sorry for the hijack. Just so mad at excuses.
Re: The law says if you're under 18, you're a child in the eyes of a judge and jury.
Date: 2006-10-04 02:05 am (UTC)Re: The law says if you're under 18, you're a child in the eyes of a judge and jury.
Date: 2006-10-04 10:28 am (UTC)Re: The law says if you're under 18, you're a child in the eyes of a judge and jury.
Date: 2006-10-05 04:09 am (UTC)Those are the kind of laws which make me want to hit things. It shouldn't make any difference legally whether you say 'hey, wanna fuck' in person or on AIM.
I'm pretty much in favor of parents being parents. (Like yours. Good for them.)
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Date: 2006-10-04 12:20 am (UTC)In other words, ephobiliacs are considered 'normal' in the psychiatric literature.
If we went around trying to put every man who lusted after a 17 yr old female in a psychiatric ward, we'd have to lock up almost half the country.
2. We aren't discussing law, we're discussing pedophilia, which is a psychiatric term with a very specific definition, part of which is that the 'child' must be below the age of puberty/13.
As for what the law says, please read up on the age of consent laws, since we are discussing matters of sex, not voting. They vary from state to state, and most of them are not set at 18.
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Date: 2006-10-04 03:33 am (UTC)I'm aware of this. What I was asking for, however, was proof that the definition of pedophilia is what you claimed it was, and not just something you heard somewhere from someone.
2. I live in California and was not aware that other states have different age of consent laws. I've always heard 18, and never anything different.
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Date: 2006-10-04 10:31 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-10-04 11:07 am (UTC)Here's a list.
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Date: 2006-10-05 04:18 am (UTC)2. Part of my thesis covered the development of AOC laws. They vary a *lot*. People believe that the AOC is 18 because all of the federal laws regarding sex use 18 because that's the most conservative age limit. The result is idiocy like the 16 yr old girl in Rhode Island who was put in jail for creating 'child pornography' of herself. Never mind that the AOC in Rhode Island is 16, so the things she photographed were completely legal...
It ought to be a basic responsibility for Americans to know the laws they live under, but unfortunately, there are just too many laws.
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Date: 2006-10-05 12:39 pm (UTC)Amish School
Date: 2006-10-03 07:05 pm (UTC)*shutter*
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Date: 2006-10-03 08:47 pm (UTC)and that is very true, many people who have been contemplating suicide will go from depression to seeming okay, because they are "happy" they have made that final decision, that they think they will finally be released from their pain, it will be all over. That is the thing to watch for if anyone has someone who suffers from depression. When they start saying everything is okay, that they are fine.
of course he went into rehab...
Date: 2006-10-03 11:43 pm (UTC)It also makes it look like he's not responsible for his actions if he can point to rehab and say "wow, I was messed up but I'm all better."
He's got damn good handlers, that's all I can say.
wow. He'll get off easy.