I can't get NO....satisfaction....
Feb. 10th, 2009 09:00 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
kyburgLet's see.
You don't need to take Jim's word for it anymore. Even down to the names...which he was a good boy about and didn't tell anyone about either.
Hooray! (And so much for Tiajuana Taxi Fertility Hookups.) Note the words 'there is no law against...' - this is a evaluation by peers, and I hope we find out what they decide. But keep in mind - there is no law, and this won't create one. (Consider what the enforcement of one might look like, BTW. Just think about it for a moment, it'll come to you.)
Let me get this straight. When the McCaughey septuplets were born in 1997, President Clinton called to congratulate the parents, who were given a free 12-passenger van, Pampers for life, furniture, food, and a custom built house. Last spring, when Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar got pregnant with their 18th child, they announced it on the Today Show and their reality TV show launched that fall. When Nadya Suleman, 33, gave birth to octuplets on January 26th, she got revulsion, ridicule and death threats. A talk radio host who called her a freak said his listeners were prepared to boycott any company that helped out mother or babies. Jimmy Kimmel declared that "Golden retrievers do not have that many kids."
Uh, yawp. Single, POC and oh mi ghad IRAQI. SPICY.
(You know, I'd almost expect some people to have a little empathy for people who have somewhat toxic parents....but noooooo. Guess not.) And before you hit that comment button - keep in mind. The lady had choices. Since we see more of the grandfather doing childcare publically than the grandmother, you figure it out. Watch the grandkids leave that house Real Soon. As soon as enough money shows up - and it will show up. (Just keep making those death threats on all those sponsored websites, kids!)
Quick quiz.
Who administers 'food stamp' programs?
- Department of the Treasury
- Department of Homeland Security
- The Internal Revenue Service
- Department of Agriculture (*dingdingding*)
Also, the going term is Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program - not food stamps. Note the key word - there is no intention for this ever to be the sole support for anyone. (I love the fact they've moved it off paper and to electronic ATM card. No, you can't pool the change from buying a candy bar with a coupon until you can buy liquor anymore. Too bad. *snickers*)
Oh yeah, $490 a month is a REAL GOOD incentive to have a kid. (...where do people get this crap...) And of course you top out, regardless of the number of people in the household.
Defend her? Not so much. What I find amazing is the vitriol where in just about every other case I know of, there was nothing but cooes and praise for being 'so absolutely PERFECTLY FEMALE' for being, well - successful at being female. That's it, isn't it? The pastel pinks and blues, the heft of the rewards thrown, the fairy tale twittering. The strokes - oh yes - THE STROKES.
(I'm catching echoes of it adopting right now, and I know it when I see it. It's perceived sainthood and I'm hip. I got much the same when I was the wife of a terminal patient. It's not helpful, except as a signal that they're not going to bitchslap you.)
I'm glad information is getting out. It's making our lives easier not having to keep our mouths shut. (How many times does WE CAN'TALK make sense?)
What I'm watching for? Terminations at the hospital of people who were peeking into health records when they had no reason to. Yeah, it's all electronic, all tagged with who was doing the peeking and we've had plenty of evidence there's a zero tolerance policy for fraud - though I think Kaiser might handle these a bit differently after a whole family died when both parents were fired for it. Remember - same hospital system.
Whatta parade. Can we talk about Sully instead?
You don't need to take Jim's word for it anymore. Even down to the names...which he was a good boy about and didn't tell anyone about either.
Hooray! (And so much for Tiajuana Taxi Fertility Hookups.) Note the words 'there is no law against...' - this is a evaluation by peers, and I hope we find out what they decide. But keep in mind - there is no law, and this won't create one. (Consider what the enforcement of one might look like, BTW. Just think about it for a moment, it'll come to you.)
Let me get this straight. When the McCaughey septuplets were born in 1997, President Clinton called to congratulate the parents, who were given a free 12-passenger van, Pampers for life, furniture, food, and a custom built house. Last spring, when Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar got pregnant with their 18th child, they announced it on the Today Show and their reality TV show launched that fall. When Nadya Suleman, 33, gave birth to octuplets on January 26th, she got revulsion, ridicule and death threats. A talk radio host who called her a freak said his listeners were prepared to boycott any company that helped out mother or babies. Jimmy Kimmel declared that "Golden retrievers do not have that many kids."
Uh, yawp. Single, POC and oh mi ghad IRAQI. SPICY.
(You know, I'd almost expect some people to have a little empathy for people who have somewhat toxic parents....but noooooo. Guess not.) And before you hit that comment button - keep in mind. The lady had choices. Since we see more of the grandfather doing childcare publically than the grandmother, you figure it out. Watch the grandkids leave that house Real Soon. As soon as enough money shows up - and it will show up. (Just keep making those death threats on all those sponsored websites, kids!)
Quick quiz.
Who administers 'food stamp' programs?
- Department of the Treasury
- Department of Homeland Security
- The Internal Revenue Service
- Department of Agriculture (*dingdingding*)
Also, the going term is Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program - not food stamps. Note the key word - there is no intention for this ever to be the sole support for anyone. (I love the fact they've moved it off paper and to electronic ATM card. No, you can't pool the change from buying a candy bar with a coupon until you can buy liquor anymore. Too bad. *snickers*)
Oh yeah, $490 a month is a REAL GOOD incentive to have a kid. (...where do people get this crap...) And of course you top out, regardless of the number of people in the household.
Defend her? Not so much. What I find amazing is the vitriol where in just about every other case I know of, there was nothing but cooes and praise for being 'so absolutely PERFECTLY FEMALE' for being, well - successful at being female. That's it, isn't it? The pastel pinks and blues, the heft of the rewards thrown, the fairy tale twittering. The strokes - oh yes - THE STROKES.
(I'm catching echoes of it adopting right now, and I know it when I see it. It's perceived sainthood and I'm hip. I got much the same when I was the wife of a terminal patient. It's not helpful, except as a signal that they're not going to bitchslap you.)
I'm glad information is getting out. It's making our lives easier not having to keep our mouths shut. (How many times does WE CAN'TALK make sense?)
What I'm watching for? Terminations at the hospital of people who were peeking into health records when they had no reason to. Yeah, it's all electronic, all tagged with who was doing the peeking and we've had plenty of evidence there's a zero tolerance policy for fraud - though I think Kaiser might handle these a bit differently after a whole family died when both parents were fired for it. Remember - same hospital system.
Whatta parade. Can we talk about Sully instead?
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Date: 2009-02-10 06:10 pm (UTC)Me, I think a ton of kids is pretty crazy, unless POSSIBLY you truly are a multi-millionaire who can support them fully without needing lots of aid. I laud family members, friends, and community members who volunteer to help out big families. But it's not my thing, it weirds me out to put one's family into a situation where they do have to rely on others so much.
I guess I can sort of understand that some people really Just Love Children That Much, for whatever reason.
I actually found the Duggans to be far creepier than previous or latter cases because of their "Well this is what women are FOR!" attitude and the way they seem to be raising all their female children for the SOLE future of mommyhood. Haven't really had the belief systems of previous or post-Duggan huge families shoved into my face quite so much. The smugly uniform 'family dynamic' was very appalling to me. (Naming all kids with names that begin with certain letters, etc.)
My mom was from a pretty large family (10 kids). Not terribly well off. Not terribly poor, but not quite middle class either. Their family worked, but it was tough going, and the oldest girls didn't really get to have the childhoods that their little sibs got because they had to help rear those younger sibs. Tensions did ensue over this from time to time. Fortunately, they all love each other very much and as adults are quite close, but I can see how things could easily go the other way towards permanent resentment.
My dad was from a poorer family that had 6 children living in a one-room house with a pretty much single-mom situation. (His dad was a cripple, and died youngish.) And again, it somehow did work, they did squeak by. But I know he did Not want that kind of situation for HIS family. Again, the older kids were so busy helping take care of their younger siblings/cousins that they never really got 'childhoods'.
So.. yeah. Big families. They happen, either planned or due to lack of planning, and they have to somehow deal with themselves. I think there's right reasons (love) and wrong reasons (political/religious zealotry). And to me in the modern day and age where HOPEFULLY child/infant mortality is generally lower than in the 'olden days', it just doesn't make sense unless you truly frame it with the 'love' option, which doesn't have to make sense, I suppose.
And the snap-judgement calls and HATRED when you don't, can't, are Not Invited To know all the reasons and allowances are just a bit. Um. Nuts?
Ok, sorry, rambly. But I think I have a point in there somewhere.
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Date: 2009-02-10 07:49 pm (UTC)Somehow, it all works out. Without asking anyone's permission.
For me? Wouldn't do IVF, considered it too expensive just to get pregnant with an uncertain outcome. I haven't spent the same amount of $$$ for two adoptive process that are arguably some of the most expensive known, either.
There's plenty of crazy to go around here. I just wish more people would see it and go whoa, and hit the pause button.