Uh...

[kyburg]

Somebody cross-check me on this one.

fortysomething has a member, harmnone.

She has a son in Baghdad, jodd.

Who, if you look at his profile page, has a girl friend pretty_dictator. Who, frankly, is downright SCARY.

harmnone made the delightful proposal that our military intelligence couldn't possibly know about any WMDs in Iraq because Saddam hid it from his own cabinet. *clears throat* In case you didn't catch that, because Saddam hid it from his own cabinet.

And it was during a discussion about intelligence.

I guess if she's using the current administration for comparison, I can't be too surprised.

But - cross check me on this one. If we went to the UN with "proof" of WMDs (which Powell did, I heard it - you don't have to believe me, read it from the White House itself.), the concept that you could "hide" WMDs from every part of the country, include the highest cabinet levels...*sighs*...could not be plausible.

Her child is in Iraq.

But even this is stretching it. How can I possibly discuss this?

And I'm leaving this public. I don't need to sing this song to the choir.

Comments

[diepunyhuman.livejournal.com]

Gah, not pretty_dictator again. >_

[kyburg.livejournal.com]

The world is not THAT small, is it? Good grief.

[sputnik.livejournal.com]

Despite having been a member of that community for a very long time, I rarely comment, because many of those people worry me.

[gunhed.livejournal.com]

Sorry - this has nothing to do with your answer but I had to tell you that I used to know a guy in California who called himself Sputnik. He traveled between the Pacific Northwest and San Francisco, usually hanging out with my roommates and I when he was in SF.

He also used to borrow a dollar from me when he left. I think he still owes one to me.

[yasha-chan.livejournal.com]

That's um... wow. I mean, I knew it was getting bad when I couldn't play Final Fantasy XI without some Neo-Con trolling the forums of FFXI community websites, but that's just a whole new level of frightening.

And on a completely random note, I suggest Kamatari Damancy if you have access to a PS2. It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen brought to the US. As strange of a world as it is, it seems almost normal in comparison to some people u.u;;;

[yasha-chan.livejournal.com]

Ugh I totally didn't notice before, but eww, the scary SS kid lady has the same birthday as me >.<

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[lilikoica.livejournal.com]

Yah, I've run into her before. Not impressed with her anlytical skills.

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[harmnone.livejournal.com]

That's funny. I thought the same thing about you. : )

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[lilikoica.livejournal.com]

Very wise of her to disable comments.

[religioushoax.livejournal.com]

WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?

[tully-monster.livejournal.com]

Aieeee. I can't believe she calls herself an atheist and has carl_sagan on her friends list.

[kyburg.livejournal.com]

Must be one of those Carl Sagan Reagan Pagans I keep hearing about.

[gaski.livejournal.com]

OwOwOw, my head hurts. 15-year old neo-nazis and people who say that because there might be WMDs in Syria and Jordan (those were the places she named, right? I'm not going back to check), it's perfectly logical to bomb Iraq tend to have that effect on it.

And how on earth would anyone be able to hide the fact that they were spending part of the national budget on bigass bombs? What would he say? "Why, yes, [random cabinet person], I do realise that it seems odd that I have taken 375 million dollars from our budget to buy new curtains for my house, but it is a big house, you know?"

Agh, I'm going to hide in my bed now.

[harmnone.livejournal.com]

Sorry! I messed up the link! I'll have to try again later!

[harmnone.livejournal.com]

http://www.livejournal.com/users/harmnone/123615.html?thread=259039#t259039

[isolt.livejournal.com]

What's up with the combination of that username and support for the Iraq war?

[kyburg.livejournal.com]

Ya got me.

[harmnone.livejournal.com]

The name comes from a pagan philosophy of my foster son's that appealed to me. My support is for ending tyranny and terrorism. ...and for not hurting my boy.

[supiluliumas.livejournal.com]

That pretty_dictator is cute. =O

I wouldn't mind getting a little Humbert in my Humbert from that Nazi Lolita Death Machine. Come on! *_*

[kyburg.livejournal.com]

What?

I guess we can tell I'm a girl. 9_9

Cute.

I guess this is cute, too:



*wink wink nudge nudge titter titter titter*

[harmnone.livejournal.com]

pretty_dictator is not his girlfriend! I just bought airline tickets for his girlfriend to fly out from New York while he's on leave, and she doesn't even have an LJ. When he first set up his journal, I emailed him and asked him why he had a Nazi friend. He said she's brilliant, and he's trying to reason with her and change her mind. Oh, my goodness! Do you see how rumors get started when you assume things? I'm horrified that anyone would even think that that's his girlfriend! AAACCCKKKK!!!!

Voice from a total stranger

[supiluliumas.livejournal.com]

Hi! You don't know me and I don't know you, but in all seriousness ma'am, the purpose of Livejournal itself is to meet new and interesting people, and oftentimes the new and interesting people one meets don't agree with one's opinions, or even one's way of thinking. Your son obviously has an open mind, and is willing to accept someone for their merits even if he doesn't necessarily agree with his or her opinions, or even with the legitimacy of said opinions, or even imagine how someone could have arrived at them in the first place. Don't get so worried; you've obviously just raised him right. =)

As for this whole witchhunt going on here, I really don't know what this person's going on about in this post, or care to know what you did to warrant it, but all I can say is that to express an opinion at all these days is to invite a controversy. Calling upon one's friends outside the argument to validate one's position is an old and respected tactic among the chronically argumentative. All you can do is stick to your guns and remember that in the end, the wages of controversy are greatness. ... Or vice-versa. Either way!

[harmnone.livejournal.com]

Here's exactly what I said, since I hate to be taken out of context:
"Even the UN says there were WMD's, we just don't know what happened to them. ...and the report today says that Saddam apparently even fooled his own cabinet! How is our intelligence supposed to uncover something that even his own cabinet didn't know?"

...so it wasn't ever my "delightful proposal." Here's where that came from: as I was writing that comment, I was half-listening to a report on the Duelfer report, and that's what I heard. I've since downloaded the entire report, and I've read a little over half of it, and I haven't been able to find anything about that. ...so I guess I've learned not to just type things that I hear without checking them out. The Duelfer report does talk a lot about the threat of Saddam, though; I'd suggest you all read it.

[supiluliumas.livejournal.com]

Speaking personally - and without taking a position one way or the other, I should add - if I was President of something, I for one am certainly not going to tell my Secretary of Agriculture where I keep the nuclear-freaking-weapons.

Just my two cents.

[lilikoica.livejournal.com]

http://lilikoica.livejournal.com/197405.html

[harmnone.livejournal.com]

I would really appreciate it if you would explain what you mean by the frozen comment (I still can't figure out why people can't handle what other people have to say to them, as if they can't support their opinions.), especially since you have very little clue about my home. I have some opinions about your inability to understand the real world, but I've refrained from saying anything because I don't know anything about you, either, except that you've shown an incredible tendency toward presumption and an extreme lack of maturity.

[kyburg.livejournal.com]

Let me be clear. This is my journal, and the discussion has gotten out of hand. And if you find this discussion tame in comparison to others you might find out on LJ and not worthy of being managed in this fashion, let me be clear.

It's time to put this aside and move on. And I'm going to do this as firmly as I know how.

Imagine yourself standing in your own living room and someone steps in, invited to give their opinion, and instead begin accusing you of having an "inability to understand the real world" - your words, toots, not mine - and I think I've done a fine job of supporting my opinions with verifiable fact, not simply standing on my own feelings on any one of the matters we have discussed in your own journal.

And frankly, I was brought up too well to continue personal attacks when they have no fruitful purpose.

You are not interested in the truth; you are not interested in any agreement (not even to disagree); your unwillingness to accept the reality that you have been mislead, lied to and USED, body and soul speaks far more to presumption and a lack of maturity than anything I could say or do.

And I have not had to resort to my own opinions without supporting them with the information gained by reasonably unbiased sources - something you have not done. At all.

Lady, you would let someone kill your children before admitting you were lied to, and you fell for it. That is the impression I get.

Go home and talk all your want in your own living room. You either behave properly when you are in my house, or you will be evicted. Your choice.

[harmnone.livejournal.com]

RE:the other frozen comment
I've begged him to write in his journal. He's done an awful lot of writing, but he doesn't want anyone to read it, yet; he's always been frustratingly private. His mentor is a Vietnam hero and author, loves what Kyle has allowed him to read and also begs to write more. OTOH, I'd prefer right now that he just concentrate on staying alive.

I did notice the separation between words but wasn't quite sure of the significance of pointing out that his friend is a girl. ...sorry.

[kyburg.livejournal.com]

We need some time to get to know one another.

One of the first things you will learn about me is that my military experiences are more WWII, Korea based. Vietnam was a very polarizing experience for more than one reason, and a number of people who came out of that experience were children when they went into it. And I keep that fact firmly in hand when I deal with anyone who claims to be a Vietname "anything" - war hero, victim, you name it.